EDWARDS: Ticats romp in Johnny Manziel’s disastrous debut

As debuts go, it was an unmitigated disaster.

Montreal Alouettes quarterback Johnny Manziel threw four interceptions in the first half of Friday’s game against the Hamilton Tiger-Cats – including one on his second career pass – as the Ticats stormed out to a 35-point lead and won 50-11.

With a huge audience tuned in across North America, social media exploded with its unique brand of mocking cruelty as the picks piled up. Johnny Interception. Johnny Let-Me-Throw-You-The Football. Creative uses of Sesame Street characters laughing maniacally while counting to four. There were lots and lots and lots of jokes.

Already down 7-0, Manziel threw an interception on his first series as Ticats linebacker Larry Dean stepped in front of a pass. He threw a second while scrambling to evade the Hamilton pass rush. The next one came when he tried to force a throw downfield on third down. The fourth one… well, it’s hard to keep track of them all.

Blaming Manziel is easy (and, for some, fun) but the Alouettes, as a team, looked absolutely terrible. They dropped passes, failed to protect Manziel, couldn’t run the ball. On defence, they allowed Ticat quarterback Jeremiah Masoli and the offence to do pretty much whatever they wanted and the special teams gave up a blocked punt for a touchdown. Hamilton’s 28 first-quarter points tied for the most in CFL history.

This was the danger in starting Manziel less than two weeks after acquiring him from Hamilton and with just five practices under his belt. Pundits warned against it – so did his agent – and CFL history is littered with putrid performances from inexperienced quarterbacks pushed into action before their time. There was this crazy idea that Manziel would somehow prevail because of his innate Johnnyness. Nope. Not even close.

Early in the fourth quarter, he was pulled from the game: 104 yards on 11 of 20 passing and one, two, three, four interceptions ha ha ha ha.

While the quality of the competition must certainly be taken into consideration, playing the Alouettes was certainly an elixir for what’s been ailing the Ticats. They generated turnovers (that’s been an issue), scored points off them (so has that) while also converting their opportunities in the red zone (ditto.) They looked good in all three phases, though executing at this level against stiffer competition will be the real test.

Masoli threw for an even 300 yards with two touchdowns and ran for another, showing once again why the Ticats felt so comfortable in dealing Manziel to Montreal, along with two offensive linemen, in exchange for two all-star calibre players (receiver Chris Williams and defensive end Jamaal Westerman) and two first-round draft picks. It was, as Ticat general manager Eric Tillman put it the day after the transaction was announced, a “grand slam” for the team, a deal too good to pass up.

It looks even better now.

Masoli may have his doubters among the Ticat faithful – they were the ones decrying the Manziel trade – but there was never any question internally that this was the right move. There might be the occasional I-told-you-so from a Ticat player or two – there were a couple of “Money Manziel” celebrations by the defensive backfield – but the locker room knew all along that Masoli was their guy.

Meanwhile, the Alouettes must now try and put the pieces of Manziel’s battered psyche back together again. The real danger in starting him so fast wasn’t this performance, which was entirely predictable, but that it would damage his development in a more permanent way. Manziel showed flashes on what made him a great college player but it will need to be nurtured and developed – an adjustment all quarterbacks have to make at the pro level.

Manziel may still be great. But not today. And not, by the looks of it, any time soon.

Drew Edwards

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Drew Edwards is into his eighth season covering the CFL and the Ticats for the Hamilton Spectator. He is the founder and editor of 3DownNation.
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98 Comments on EDWARDS: Ticats romp in Johnny Manziel’s disastrous debut

  1. Area 51. As I have told you again and again … you don’t know [email protected] Masoli is the real deal. Manzeil will come along but no Messiah.

    • Once again Jer Masoli throws as many INTs as TDs.

      Against the incompetent Rich Stubler and Montreal’s laughably bad defence.

    • Wynonna Rider-Nation // August 4, 2018 at 9:14 am //

      The one thing we can all agree on is that Masoli (a thug who got kicked off the U of Oregon squad for stealing) is mediocre but infinitely better than Johnny Headcase. Unless you are a shoplifter and/or a woman abuser, you really can’t root for either of them.

    • Bunny Muffin // August 4, 2018 at 6:32 pm //

      Masoli. So talented. Love him. Always have, always will.

  2. All I can say is rotfl

  3. I actually feel sorry for Johnny. He just wasn’t ready to be thrust into this game.

    • I was giddy with glee after the Cats went up 28-0, but I have to admit that I felt some sympathy for Manziel after the fourth interception. He just looked so awful. You can’t blame the O-Line for those lame duck bloopers he threw directly at the Ti-Cat defenders. The tipped pass…OK, but the rest were just plain bad decisions and poor throws. The worst decision was made by the Montreal staff to sart him. It was painful to watch.

  4. Tim the tool man mcd // August 3, 2018 at 10:42 pm //

    I see all these men touching balls and I wish I could be in the game . I hope I make more receptions then incompleted passes cus I just want to receive a lot of balls.

  5. How could anybody succeed when the opposition is just allowed to score at will ? Montreal’s defense is embarrassing. No quarterback is going to succeed when the defense can’t be trusted to put up even the smallest amount of resistance.

  6. Rod Black must be heartbroken.

  7. Hello, my name is Johnny football and in professional football i realize there are 41 professional teams in north america, i have now lost for the 2 worst teams in pro football, the Browns and the Alouettes.

  8. you guys can make all the excuses for johnny football you want, but the cold hard facts is hes not a good qb, heck look who he played for in the NFL lol…..johnny football played a horrible game and was the main reason his team was blown out, 4 interceptions! LOL!

  9. Manzeil can play and he will be successful but he needs to pay his dues. The CFL is a quality League and he needs to respect the compete level. And BtW the PI call on the Alouettes final drive was total BS.

    • A mercy call ?

    • Agreed and agreed (a mercy PI if you ask me).

      He got zero help though, aside from a few great catches by receivers on broken plays. The All-wets defense was soaked to the bone before the opening whistle.

      It will take time. Lots of it. And help. Also lots.

      I don’t know what #2 jersey sales were like, but the game only drew 18,576 through the gate… looks like that’s almost 2K more than the last two Montreal home games but still far short of a sell-out. Should that be factored in as a measure of the trade’s “success”? Like his performance tonight, too early to say.

    • SoLongManziel // August 4, 2018 at 11:00 am //

      Agreed! And the 2 pt conversion that hit the ground good ol cfl officiating at its finest

  10. Amicus your insane he sucks period !

  11. Disastrous start for Manziel, but he did show flashes of creativity. I suspect he will develop in a good QB in time and with better pieces around him. Masoli needs to stop with the INTs.

  12. The Alouette braintrust should be ashamed of themselves…they played this guy for a fool by pushing him to start so soon after they acquired him. And in the meantime have not done squat in terms of bolstering the rest of their team (foolishly believing the hype that Manziel would solve all their other issues). What a humiliation for him…

  13. The theme seems to be all about Manziel, however:
    – Kudos to the Ticats D for their work tonight, all around.
    – Great running by Green. Welcome back!
    – Saunders is one of the CFL’s best receivers, nevermind the team’s.
    – Coaches called a great game, in all phases. Nice to welcome back a running game.
    – Jeremiah showed why Manziel was expendable, despite a few miscues (and I KNOW certain posters will jump on this to tell us what they’ve been telling us)

    • Should we start a Canadian football news site? Where we talk about how the teams did? Not just crush on a 25 year-old. Common Drew, we know you’re in love with Johnny.

  14. Maybe I have been watching this team for too long, but the pessimist in me can’t over look things.
    Why did Masoli even see a snap in the 4th quarter? Can’t understand coach’s decision making.
    Where was the run game? 3rd and 4th quarter with a huge lead should have been all about establishing a run game, dominating with against their d-line and killing out the clock.
    Really happy with the win, but just not enough to give me the confidence we can go into Winnipeg and beat them coming of their bye.

    • Skimming over the play-by-play, the Ticats tried passing plays 11 times in the third quarter and running plays 4x. In Q4, it was 9 rushes to 6 passes.

      When Evans went in I don’t fault the Ticats for testing his arm (he was 3 for 3) but overall that’s a pretty balanced attack, and they tried to use the run in the 4th to salt the game away.

      I do agree Winnipeg is a challenge the way they’ve been playing lately.

    • Don’t forget the 8 penalties for 138 yards which more than doubled Montreal. Do that against a good team and they’ll bury you.

    • Sea of Dead // August 4, 2018 at 7:39 am //

      Absolutely agree: Masoli should have been pulled at the end of the 3Q and Evans allowed to play the 4Q. There won’t be a better opportunity to develop your 2nd stringer than a game against the Als and Cats don’t play them again until the last game of the season.

      Austin made the same mistake in 2015, continuing to insert Collaros, his MOP candidate, in blowout games until his knee blew out and the Cats were left with absolutely no experience at QB … Well, we know how that turned out!

      The 4Q was an excellent opportunity to give all the Cat’s back-ups more playing time to develop and give the coaches a chance to evaluate their potential as starters.

      • Sea of Dead // August 4, 2018 at 9:45 am //

        Didn’t happen, opportunity missed!

      • Why you would leave your starter in when the game is well in hand and risk injury (especially via a cheap shot – hello Muamba) is totally beyond me. Makes no sense whatsoever. And this is what concerns me about the TC coaching staff – even when they win there are still bizarre coaching decisions being made.

  15. As he said , he has been humbled and this was a “humbling experience”. I think that he has now adjusted his expectations and realizes now that his stay in Canada will be longer than two years. On the Ticat front what an effort from 3 sides of the ball. Masoli was terrific, the defence was a tough Old Time Hamilton Defence and the special teams play was much improved. Oline and execution was greatly improved. Need to get both Toliver and Chris Williams more into the game.

    • brian johnson // August 4, 2018 at 10:26 am //

      Nonsense. His stay will not last 2 years.
      Has nothing to offer at his high priced contract.
      There will be big changes at the Zoo in 3 months.
      Cheers

    • Keep in mind it was Montreal, with a four practice QB.

      Until they are consistently good in multiple phases, with better coaching decisions – it will be up and down.

  16. That was tragic… on all accounts. Really poor decision making by Manziel. Like terrible. Apparently he/they knew the Ti-Cats inside out and playing them within the first week would be ok as he knew their tendencies. So this was the rationale for starting him. To me, he looked just way too nervous and too excited to settle into the game. Sherman… looked totally clueless and disheveled (pls clean your glasses).

    Honestly I hope he gets back into the groove and finds his game. BTW, dude needs some arm strength to complete the longer passes. Vernon… redemption is at hand!

  17. Cats offense is legit with a five receiver set and Masoli a threat to run, including designed QB runs. I have said it for weeks. The extra O lineman package was garbage for a month. Tonight, the Cats looked like a real team. Johnny was horrendous. The panel and commentators can make up reason after reason but Johnny was wreckless with the ball and looked like he couldn’t make any progressions. He wanted to play sandlot ball and that is hard to do in the CFL.

  18. Damn… I had to fly out to Vancouver tonight and missed the game… sounds like I missed quite the show…

    Have to admit I am greatly relieved that the Ticats won with authority…

    • Hope you brought your sunscreen, Mr. Snake. They changed the weather forecast and it’s supposed to really warm up here again starting Sunday.

  19. Can’t get too excited beating a hapless team whose starting QB has been with them all of 10 days. Beat the next two decent teams up next, Bombers and Eskimos, and perhaps we’re talking.

    • Evil Empire // August 4, 2018 at 4:41 am //

      I was rooting tor the guy but,

      DAMN !

      I’ve seen the Eskimos beat BC 40-1. And, I’ve seen them beat Cgy 38-0. But, I can’t really recall a more lopsided game before. The first 3/4, anyway.

      The one pick wasn’t his fault. But, the other 3 picks ilooked like he meant to throw it to the guy that caught it. I had no expectations, and I certainly didn’t expect that horror show. It’ll be interesting to see if he can bounce back quickly.

      They have two road games next. In Ottawa, and Edmonton. So, it certainly isn’t going to be getting any easier.

      • I look at it this way…Manziel isn’t as bad as that…and TC’s aren’t as good as that. TC’s play Monteal one more time, being the last game of the season. It will be interesting to see how Manziel plays that final game…methinks you’ll see a vastly different QB.

        • Or should I say a vastly “improved” QB.

        • brian johnson // August 4, 2018 at 10:33 am //

          So your saying he will still be on the team rooster by end of season??
          You are hopeful for sure. Good for you.

        • Evil Empire // August 4, 2018 at 11:11 am //

          @philski.

          Well, one would certainly hope he can improve over the course of 12 games. He has skills. But, it’s just a really different game up there. It’s not suited for everybody. Some guys have it, and some don’t.

          Ricky Ray was brand new to the league in 02. Starter Jason Maas had a season ending injury in game 3, iirc. Ricky Ray stepped in as a total rook. And, led the Esks to a 13-5 record, and a GC appearance.

          That’s diametrically opposed to what Manziel did, or probably will do this season. I’m not writing him off, yet. And, I do still want to see him do well. But, he will have to put in alot of work if he wants to improve.

          • Sure about Ray … but keep in mind Ray took over a strong team instead of being asked to save a weak one.

            Printers did well with BC but could not turn around a weak Cat team.

  20. Well my friends, fortunately I don’t mind saying I told you so – – because once again Area51 was 100% on point with the assessment of John Manziel being a trash QB.

  21. I think it was mitigated. As long as he doesn’t lose his head I think he can learn a lot from this game. He tried to do a lot in this game and he was successful with some of it and not so successful with other parts. In general he needs to be a bit more cautious with his passing game to cut down on the interceptions, but his scrambling ability and is very Flutie like.

    • Agree. And even if he lit it up instead I would still be of the same opinion, being it’s only his first game…can’t “grade” him just yet. To be honest I don’t know quite what the Montreal fans were expecting from a new guy who doesn’t even know his teammates names yet.

  22. William Shatnered // August 4, 2018 at 6:18 am //

    Area 51 you have hired by the Schooners as our first scout. You are right on the money about Manziel, Franklin, and Adams. However, you failed to recruit Mcleod and Steveler. Your assessment of Masoli has been consistently wrong. So now your fired.

  23. If the Cats cam carry that execution into.Winipeg next week that will be impressive. Its time to show consistency each game.

    • Dundas dude // August 4, 2018 at 7:11 am //

      Agreed. I was disappointed with the two Rider games, but the Cats were in 2 of the last 3 losses right to the end. We can win the blowouts, now we need to prove we can win the close ones. Great to see the Cats gaining on the first place Redblacks ‘cause finishing first is critical to getting back to the big show. Go Cats!

    • Evil Empire // August 4, 2018 at 11:17 am //

      @Briam.

      Winnipeg is no joke. Especially, at home. I’ll be picking the Bombers to win that game.

  24. gocatsgo // August 4, 2018 at 6:45 am //

    Not sure you can judge Manziel as being trash based one performance with a team that has lost 17 out of it’s last 18, … and having had only 4 practices with this very bad team. He was rushed in to sell tickets and he went up against a Tigercat team that was chomping at the bit to prove that they were not the same team that had dropped it’s last 3 games in a row while only managing 3 touchdowns during that stretch.

  25. Dundas dude // August 4, 2018 at 6:55 am //

    Another great game from the Cats defense and special teams. Great to see the offence scoring TDs from the red zone… Green is a beast and welcome back Toliver and Tasker. Masoli showed tonight why he’s the man… it would be good to cut down the 2 interceptions, but I didn’t see them so I don’t know the details and also one has to take calculated chances and play aggressively. Hamilton took advantage of a bad Montreal team. I was wrong calling for a Manziel start after that second loss to a marginal Rider team.

    Felt badly for Johnny Football: he was put in a tough situation. Great interest generated, but Adams had a better game against Edmonton the week before, and probably gives Montreal the best chance of winning for the next month or two. The jury is still out on Johnny ‘s CFL career, but the guy needs a reasonable amount of preparation time and a better surrounding team.

  26. This is one game I sure am glad is over. We might have known the Als were not that good but we didn’t know how Ham was going to Play. Ham has been up and down like the proverbial toilet seat.

  27. No interviews from the winning team Drew? Were you too busy at waiting at the Johnny and Sherman post game show? Get it together man.

  28. Brian Lower // August 4, 2018 at 8:08 am //

    Milner, agree. The Cats scored 50 freaking points and all we heard during the game, in the post game and now in print is Johnny Johnny Johnny

  29. Sixbeamers // August 4, 2018 at 8:31 am //

    Doug Flutie struggled in his first CFL season, too — 16 TD passes, 19 interceptions, 52.2 per cent pass completions. He went on to become the league’s most outstanding player six times. His talents came to the fore through experience and by having a more than capable supporting cast around him. Manziel has no such luxury. He is surrounded by incompetence, beginning with the GM who put together this sorry bunch of Alouettes. Can’t help but feel for a guy who was thrown to the wolves in his first start with so little prep time, as marketing considerations trumped common sense.

  30. Brian, as Drew said in a prior article; .. but it’s all about Johnny Football, because of course it is.

  31. Ari Katz // August 4, 2018 at 8:41 am //

    Where is our video with the coach’s post-game comments, Masoli’s post-game comments and Simoni’s post game comments? Why isnt this occurring after road games this year? How about the play of Jalen Saunders? He’s just a few yards away from leading the CFL in receiving and with Banks may give 1,000 yards in receiving a real run by the labour day game.

  32. Drew was too busy with his buddy Milton looking for a good Poutine restaurant.

    • Milton’s on holidays and I think the lack of post game audio might have something to do with poor sound quality at PMS. Post game interviews can often be found on the Ticats site anyway.

  33. grouchee // August 4, 2018 at 9:13 am //

    Felt better about Masoli’s red zone play but he needs to protect the ball more. 2 int. and a fumble (that we luckily got back) doesn’t work against western teams. Excite to see how the cats play against Winnipeg next week.

  34. Ticat Mike // August 4, 2018 at 9:18 am //

    Great to see the Cats click in all phases of the game. The guys really looked locked in and played with great intensity and a chip on their shoulders. Now, let’s consider the opposition and temper our expectations moving forward — certainly love the addition of Alex Green and the run game. Masoli has great group of receivers now that all appear healthy and ready to go. A much needed win, albeit against a doormat to hopefully right the Ticat ship. Now, the difficult part – playing at a high level against better competition for 4 quarters. STill puzzled by some of June Jones decision making — like going for a 3rd and 2 at mid field. Fortunately, they made it — but why take such a risk — to me, that’s poor decision making. Also, need to get a few more emergency outlet passes when Masoli is hurried — but now I’m quibbling.
    It’s just that these are the type of things that play against you against better competition. AS for Johnny Manziel — clearly, the kid has natural ability and high ceiling potential , but he needs to learn behind a more experienced QB, and it does not appear that Montreal can provide that for him, or that Manziel himself would want to be a QB for too long. It’s just one game, and a QB, any QB is only as good as the guys around him. Finally, the TSN broadcast was quite expectedly JM focused, — thank God for Glenn Suitor for providing some balance, by Rod Black — was perseverating over Manziel on almost every friggin commment out of his mouth. The Sports Center coverage was also tilted around JM’s lousy play — which is ok if balanced with the good stuff the Cats did — it’s not like the Ticats get a lot of kudos for great football all that often — so when they do dominate, would be nice to get some recognition too. Anyhow, enjoyable game —- I hope we see a few more like this one this year.

  35. Ticat Mike // August 4, 2018 at 9:19 am //

    correction — that JM would want to be a back up QB for too long.

  36. How long until the Als fold again ?

  37. Well-said Ticat Mike! Ticats did play a much better game and seemed to get a number of their woes solved – albeit against a far less superior team. They need to maintain that level of execution against better team, and especially against Eastern opponents. Their two wins DID come against Winnipeg (in Hamilton) and Edmonton (in Edm) but they won’t be easy to beat a second time – especially the BBs at home. Hopefully this dominant win gives their confidence a boost and reminds them what they need to do in future games.
    As for Montreal – they again show why they have yet to find a successor to Calvillo as they continue to bring in QBs who have had successful college careers but throw them into the fire instead of giving them time to develop. Manziel might have had better success had he stayed in Hamilton, continued to develop behind Masoli, with good coaching, and then moved on to a starting role elsewhere like Montreal. Instead he was tossed into a starting role with little support around him WAY too soon. Can’t blame Hamilton for trading him given what Montreal was willing to give up. Hopefully Manziel can develop and turn into a decent QB for the larks but it sure isn’t going to be instant success especially with no real mentor to guide him. And the competition isn’t going to be any easier for him either.

  38. Bombsquad // August 4, 2018 at 10:42 am //

    Well that went as bad as it could possibly have gone for Johnny and the Als, whew. We knew before and we had it verified again last night that the Als are a very bad football team, no question, its certified. Manziel, while his performance was atrocious i did see somethings that show he could amount to something if given a chance , with patience being the key. I believe Manziel was thrown into the worst possible situation to try and become a bonafide starter in the CFL as there is nothing good about this Alouette team, nothing. The Als O Line sucks, that doesn’t help even the best scramblers and especially one playing his first game. This being said, Johnny has to make better decisions with the football for sure. He seemingly tried to make something out of nothing on every play when there was nothing there, sometimes you just have to eat the ball.

    This season is shot for Montreal so Sherman and his staff might as well use the remaining games as an extended training camp for Manziel to get him more comfortable with the Canadian game. I won’t write off Manziel yet, after all it was his first ever regular season game, but will see how he does from here on out and if he can recover from this type of debut. Lots of heralded players from south of the border have come up to Canada and have been humbled, Johnny isn’t the first band won’t be the last. The question remains, can he learn from it and go forward.

  39. That’s a bad football team! How much longer is Mike Sherman gonna last. JM showed the quick feet, the quick feel for where pressure is coming from, and the ability to slip hits that you just can’t teach, He showed that in the pre-season games. Mind you, the JM that’s still in Hamilton is pretty good at that too; witness his scramble TD in the 3rd. The Als have to stick with Manziel and he’ll get better. The season is almost at -write-off stage, and it’s not getting better any time soon; they’ve got Ottawa next week.

    Hamilton’s D just ate him up with confusing looks. Don’t under-estimate the power of Tasker’s return! Those 10 yarders over the middle have been missing with 17 out, and they open up the run game, because the linebackers have to drop into coverage.

    Next week’s game against the ‘Peg will tell if this team’s turned a corner.

  40. Johnny Freakin’ INT.

    Has anyone heard from Texan? I hope he didn’t have a MELTDOWN.

    I stand by my assessment that Area 51 is a moron who knows nothing about football my friends.

    • Evil Empire // August 4, 2018 at 11:34 am //

      @Breeze.

      I don’t think I’ve seen him yet.

      Poor guy probably offed himself. Those were mighty big cheques he was writing. And, Manziel’s butt was certainly not capable of cashing them.

      It’s probably a little embarrassing for him.

  41. Evil Empire // August 4, 2018 at 11:27 am //

    Jeebus.

    Paragraphs are our friends you guys. Apparently, my brain is wired to just skip right over massive walls of unbroken text.

    I didnt read any of those.

  42. Saynotoapathy // August 4, 2018 at 11:36 am //

    Great Cat win but allow me to raise a couple of at this stage minor concerns. In two games Chris Williams has been a non entity. Secondly how many Cat run plays including the 4th quarter went for no gain or even a loss. But let’s bask in the sunshine of this victory for the moment. Cheers.

  43. Moncton Ticats fan // August 4, 2018 at 12:19 pm //

    Good win over a bad team. Manziel has some moves for sure. Would-be tackles will need to wrap him up before he starts scrambling. Curious why Williams and Tolliver are not as involved as Speedy, Tasker and Saunders, who seem to be Masoli’s favourite targets. Enjoy Erlington getting involved. Fun to watch him. Next game will be more of a challenge for sure. Suppose the Cats have actually turned a corner??

  44. Ari Katz // August 4, 2018 at 2:27 pm //

    TFMCB, I had checked the Ticat site before I put my post up and if you check now, there is still nothing there. I am curious as to what is going on with respect to road games as it seems that nothing is being posted after road games. I don’t think Steve goes on the road. I was hoping when I put the post up, that we might get an explanation.

  45. Ron Tuthill // August 4, 2018 at 2:50 pm //

    Drew I tend to look on the positive side of things and Hamilton has been in everyone of their games almost beating Calgary, winning against Edmonton and losing two close games against Saskatchewan. Also I agree Manziel didn’t stand a chance. All QB’s need a year on the bench for seasoning and conditioning. Look at Dunigan. He sat on the bench and watched how Moon operated the offense.likewise Damon Allen sat while Dunigan played. Doug Flutie sat on the bench while Ricky Foggie played for about half a year. Hank sat on the bench in Calgary for a couple of years and then moved on to Saskatchewan and played while not terrific and then move to Green Bay where he was cut and then he returned to Calgary and the rest is history as he had been in more situations and was more experienced. The same can be said about most starting QB’s in the league so Manziel starting in a new system with at the most five practices was bound to struggle.

    • Tiger man // August 7, 2018 at 12:49 pm //

      Thank you, Ron. Well said.

      Now, can you do the rest of us a favour and explain this to the Als management and coaching staff, because they certainly do NOT get it.

      But, talk slowly, and you may have to repeat it a LOT…

  46. Lindsay Wilcox // August 4, 2018 at 5:37 pm //

    All the pre-game hoopla by certain fans and media that Manziel might break Zuger’s record of 8 TD passes in his first game.

    Instead, with 4 first half INTs, he was on pace to break Faloney’s CFL record of 7 I NTs in a game.

  47. Stu Cats // August 4, 2018 at 7:49 pm //

    Wow, the Als really suck, just like the Habs….lol!

    I really think the 2 first round picks they got in the trade might turn out to be 1st picks overall in the draft in 2020 and 2021, the Cats are in great shape to keep building their Canadian content or they can even use those picks to trade and bolster their talent.

  48. Like how this years First overall pick is Helping? And the CFL Draft is way over stated on this site plus the Chapman Kid if he does not make the Bronco’s I bet he wait for the New AAF league!

    • How is this at all relevant to last night’s game?

    • TC’s made a big mistake trading up to acquire Chapstick who I’m sure one day will be a trivia question. Losing a decent O Lineman…for what?

      • Chapman will be signed by the Cats once he gets released by the Broncos around Labour Day, this kid is a special player and if we could get him we would have a very good receiving corps.

        The thing i would really like to see is more playing time for Thomas-Erlington, this kid plays super hard and runs aggressive, very hard to bring down, also Timmis needs more touches too.

    • Tiger man // August 7, 2018 at 12:33 pm //

      Which is his right…even if he ends up in Hamilton, it will take a while to get him into the offense…college success does not equal that on the professional level…

      And what is your point???

  49. Without reading through the 85 comments above (my apologies if anyone has already raised this), I have a couple of general comments regarding coverage by this blog (Scratching Post).

    I really miss the Milty/Drew videos, both before and after games, discussing and breaking things down.

    Also, this week, I can’t find the usually (but not always) informative post game interviews with coaches and players, either here or at Ticats’ own website.

    What happened? This is 2018 and we want more videos – please!

  50. He will Sign with the AAF 75k a year American money less income tax free to leave every off season to try the NFL and the Kid is after all American.Born in the US lived is entire Life in the US played American style Ball his entire life and the fact that he is good enough to be in NFL camp should have no problem making AAF roster and the Cats gave up east all Star O-linemen Ryan Bomben from Burlington to Draft this Guy bright Move.

    • Pussycats // August 5, 2018 at 1:44 pm //

      Yes, Ticat management team dumb but at times exhibit slightly more cranial substance than brain dead Mtl management which isn’t saying much.

    • Stu Cats // August 5, 2018 at 6:33 pm //

      The AAF will be a joke of a league regardless of the money they might pay out, i still think Chapman will be back in the CFL, it’s the 2nd best league in the world.
      Bomben was traded AGAIN for the second time already this young season to the Argos for a measly d-back, i think Ciraco has held his own for a rookie and he will be better than Bomben when his career is over. Trading Bomben saved the Cats some pretty big bucks for an average Canadian lineman.

    • Tiger man // August 7, 2018 at 12:38 pm //

      And how do you know he will sign there??? More guessing…

      And how do you know he is good enough to be in the NFL???..still more guessing….

      Your post is full of assumptions ….not facts…and by that means you are questioning professionals???

      Please…

  51. Next subject please. Only about 6 similar articles on the game on 3 down nation. Enough is enough in repeating everyone’s opinion on what went wrong for him and the Als.

  52. Stu Cats typical Cat Fan just Defends Poor Football Moves regardless how they negatively affects his team.You Do realize your Team has the lowest winning % for the last 2 decades!Ciraco has been Ok which is good for a Rookie pick but Bomben Average? East all star last 2 seasons in which two East Teams won the Cup. Popp how many Grey Cup Rings does He have so yes He took Bomben a really Good Canadian Lineman for a DB Oh you are Claiming Bomben is not very Good because Kavis Reed traded Him away I see now you think Kavis is a Great GM and He Fleeced Popp.And I love The CFL but just because you and I love the CFL does not mean a American Kid like Chapman wants to take less Money to play in a Foreign Country and restrict Himself from trying out for the NFL the Next 2 or 3 years.Just face the Facts your Team Screwed up the 1st overall Pick end of Story.

    • Tiger man // August 7, 2018 at 12:43 pm //

      The Canadian college draft is a crap shoot…the sports sections are full of stories over the years of draft choices who either choose to go back to school or try the NFL…it’s an asuumed risk by many GM’s in this league…

      picking the number one choice of this year’s draft is easy…reading back over the years of failed choices by other teams takes work…something you’re obviously afraid of…

  53. Tiger man // August 7, 2018 at 9:00 am //

    Johnny Manziel is a talented football player who has been tortured with a very Untalented team and coaches.

    Despite, what volumes of opinions stated that placing him in the last game was a grandly bad idea, Those who make such decisions in Montreal, shoved him out on the field.

    The disaster, totally predicted, was there for all of North America to see.

    And even after the slaughter mercifully ended for the Als, the head coach said in a presser that he did NOT regret what he did.

    Coaches and managers, out to save their jobs, will be using Johnny Manziel as the sacrificial lamb.

    Other than Johnny, this organization is full of cowards…

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