Suitor: Alouettes kicked the tires on Manziel deal, found out price was high

The Alouettes inquired about trading for quarterback Johnny Manziel in May, according to CFL on TSN game analyst Glen Suitor.

“I heard, and this is just a rumour, that about a month and a half ago Montreal was kicking the tires on Johnny Manziel and the price was just so high that they couldn’t even think about it,” Suitor said on TSN radio.

“They [the Ticats] could trade him now and pick up probably two starters and two first rounders.”

Montreal head coach Mike Sherman convinced Manziel to change his NCAA commitment from the University of Oregon to Texas A&M University.

“You could see something special watching his high school tapes,” Sherman said.

Sherman could use Manziel, who is chomping at the bit to play, in La Belle Province with starter Drew Willy sidelined by injury and Jeff Mathews clearly not the answer at quarterback.

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130 Comments on Suitor: Alouettes kicked the tires on Manziel deal, found out price was high

  1. I don’t think anyone could succeed in Montreal right now. At least when they had Jonathon Crompton they were winning.

    • Agreed. You need strong support to succeed. Manziel is where he should be and that price is too high, especially for someone with only potential.

    • Crompton was a zero in Edmonton before Jeff Garcia’s mentoring, and a zero after Garcia left.

      God. Imagine what QB’s like Cato and now, even Adams Jr. could do with that kind of coaching. The Alouettes seem to be cobbling together an offensive line, a couple years late. But what’s the point, without a quarterback?

      I’m sure the first TD Manziel threw would bring down the house in Montreal. We are starving for even a MODEST show of SOMETHING that ressembles a professional offensive team.

      The league had better do something, because fools like Wetenhall and Kavis Reed are going to run this franchise right into oblivion.

      • Only way Cato would have been an effective QB in the CFL is if every other offencive player had a headset in their helmets to hear the coach call plays. Cato couldn’t remember the play calls correctly. That’s why he got no respect from teammates. They couldn’t understand him either when he did speak.

        Did you not hear this past week’s game where Duane Forde talk about a quarterback needing to process and disseminate information quickly? How the hell do you expect to be lead by someone who is INCAPABLE of calling plays? You can’t. That’s why no CFL organization has given Cato a tryout. Cato not being in the CFL has absolutely nothing to do with who coached him or released him in Montreal.

        Admams is nothing but a short yardage quarterback at best. Guy can’t throw. Nobody can help that unless you can find a miracle growth hormone to increase his height and hand size.

      • Diehardticat // July 10, 2018 at 4:24 pm // Reply

        The league needs to do nothing!!!! Hamilton went 1-17 in 2003 and nobody was saving them from themselves, Get over yourself. You must be a millennial who thinks he/she is owed something in life. Newsflash, you are owed nothing!

  2. Too bad for the CFL that this trade couldn’t have been made. It would have made the Al’s more competitive and it would have maximized the Manziel effect. Instead, Manziel’s talents have been held in check and his CFL draw has been subdued. It’s still unclear if the CFL can get any gain from signing one of the most exciting NCAA players in a generation.

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of CFL fans that are happy with JF on the bench because they think it makes the CFL look stronger. The truth is that if JF was playing it would make the CFL stronger. When you are only drawing 12,000 fans to games you are just barely treading water.

    • dangnabbit // July 10, 2018 at 12:25 pm // Reply

      SeaFiddle, the CFL fans know how this story goes already. We heard it just this past winter with the Als hyping Josh “NFL first round pick OMG” as the answer at quarterback. Last year the Roughriders were hyping Vince “picked third overall OMG” Young. A couple years before that, the Als hyped Troy “Heisman trophy winner OMG” Smith. Two of the three didn’t play a single snap and the third played so badly he probably wished he’d never taken a snap.

      The lesson we learned from all this is that coming in as a college hotshot to the CFL doesn’t prepare you; you still have to learn the game. If Manziel does his time as a backup, he has a chance to do so and ultimately play better when he actually gets on the field. It doesn’t make the CFL any stronger to tell that story for a fourth time.

      • Excellent post !!!

      • Dangnabbit – Actually we don’t know how this story goes. Freeman was deemed a bust (by Calgary and another team) way before Montreal hyped him up and he again proved to be a bust in training camp. Vince Young never got a snap due to injury and Troy Smith just didn’t fit with Montreal, at all.

        When it comes to Manziel, it’s a different story. His style of play fits with the CFL; he’s been scouted many times before actually signing and he hasn’t been a bust. His preseason play was not over the top but was decent and he brings exposure and media attention that none of the other you listed brought with them – you could argue and say Freeman did – yes he brought media exposure to some extent, but like I said, everyone said he was really rusty and he was a bust from the get-go, so the two can’t really be compared, especially with such different backstories.

        • dangnabbit // July 10, 2018 at 1:24 pm // Reply

          “He hasn’t been a bust”
          I’m sure the Browns feel differently. If there were any NFL interest after Manziel’s spring league performance, he never would have signed with Hamilton.

          A player who’s not a quarterback which is why I didn’t include him above, but I think a good parallel is Chad “ocho cinco OMG” Johnson. He signed with Montreal to try and rehabilitate his image and get back into the NFL after his persona began to overshadow his performance. He wasn’t very impressive, and he didn’t bother reporting for the second year of his contract – he ended up playing that year in Mexico.

          We may not have anyone who showed up with the exact circumstances of Johnny “Johnny football OMG” Manziel, but there’s been enough who are roughly similar that we have a pretty good idea how it will pan out.

        • Lucky for Hamilton that they were already selling out all of their games before Manziel arrived (95% of tickets sold is considered a sell out). There are only three teams who are drawing poorly, and you boy JM would not make a big enough difference at the gate to cause a blip at those stadiums. As fas as not being a bust, he is considered as one of the biggest busts of all time in the NFL, right up there with Ryan Leaf and Tpny Mandarich.

        • Sed. I fully agree with your comments. By the way in preseason Manziel was playing with an offensive line that was 2 and third team and those that got on the field before being cut by the ticats. Also the same scenario fir the receivers. He had no protection I. Those preseason games or receivers that knew the patterns. Let’s get him in with the real Hamilton ticat offence and people will see the difference. Masoli has pretty good protection and the receivers are generally open by minimum 5 yards. This doesn’t change when Manziel goes in. If anything when the blitzing was coming Manziel is superior to Masoli to get out of trouble and extend plays.

          For. Dagnabbit. Manziel played in NFL and souls still be there so let’s not compare him yo your list.

        • No, Sed, Young did not have an injury. He feigned an injury to save face, because he wouldn’t have been even number 2 on the depth chart. The alleged wonky limb was never evident on the field, or off…nor was it evident when he went to the airport on his way back home, and there is no evidence that he ever sought medical treatment.
          Remember the “can’t lose” USA sprinter who squared off with our guy years ago…when he was a step behind, and he knew he couldn’t catch up, he suddenly developed a cramp, and pulled up…funny that he never challenged again…just faded into the sunset.

  3. Barry McCawkiner // July 10, 2018 at 11:38 am // Reply

    As a Ticat fan, if the Cats keep losing like they did in Sask, and Masoli can’t get them TD’s, JM2 will be starting by labour day. A 500 record won’t cut it for Masoli w Manziel on the bench, regardless of 300yrd games.

    • Settle down, Barry. It’s only been 4 games and Hamilton ALREADY has a much better record than last season at this time.

      With a new starter and co-ordinators will come growing pains.

      Patience.

  4. Just saying // July 10, 2018 at 11:43 am // Reply

    Agree with Barry

  5. This is why the CFL should abolish the neg list and replace with 10 round intl draft of Ncaa, Japan and USA spring pro leagues. Force sensible choices. The odd NCAA star would be undrafted thus a UDFA and would go to the team with most cap space and need. Ticats are hoarding to the detriment if CFL as a whole unit.

    • Wow. What silly talk.

      So, because another can’t manage personnel, it should be Hamilton’s responsibility to just hand over one of their’s…Nonsense.

      When Hamilton was suffering, I didn’t hear of any other team in the league willing to provide us with handouts…

      Your team’s management problems should NOT be another’s to solve.

      • Tiger man it would be grandfather ed..so starting. Jan. 1 no new neg list peeps. Doubkle draft cana and intl after nfl going forward. It does Hamilton no good if CFL forced out if business by XFL and AAF A!though could join those or nfl.

        • “CFL forced out of business by XFL and AAF”. Hilarious !!!!

          If either of those leagues even get off the ground, they will last no longer than one season. American football fans simply will not support any professional football league not named NFL.

        • The CFL? Driven out of business by a 4 team arena league, or the XFL which has already failed once and isn’t anywhere close to returning? Yeah. That’s a good one.

        • You’re a funny guy, Dano. What part of 105 year of existance don’t you get? I haven’t got enough fingers, or probably toes, to count the number of leagues that have come and gone, but the CFL keeps on keepin’ on. It will still be here long after John Manziel is a distant memory.

        • Like the last time the XFL was around??

          They barely finished their FIRST season.

          Sorry, Dan, but I’m not the least bit impressed with your silly scare tactics…

          Please don’t drink while you write…it’s showing…

      • Diehardticat // July 10, 2018 at 4:45 pm // Reply

        Bang on Tiger man. We went 1-17 in 2003 and nobody was throwing us a lifeline. Similar is the talk of trading jm to a team that has lost their starter. Bugger off league. Not ticat a problem if they do not have a suitable bs kip. How many years of futility did Hamilton go through and we were the laughing stock. Al fans can pound salt if they think we should be helping them be more competitive. Cats are coming to bury you not help you win.

    • It’s not a totally bad idea, but it wouldn’t be sustainable on the long-term, especially if a QB or other NCAA star gets sent to team ”x” then that would mean team ”y” could get the next QB in line, but he’s been scouted and he’s clearly a bust; what team would want that?! Also, it doesn’t mean that the QB (or other NCAA star) next-in-line would play well with that team. There’s no guarantee. That would make the scouting job so dull because they wouldn’t be able to secure a player they think would fit best with their team. It’s not about doing things so it can be or sound ”fair” across the league. The league is a business, teams are business entities and it’s a competition – finding the best fit player-wise and staff-wise. I get the fact that Manziel not playing is a detriment to the league in a sense, but then again, it’s not as if the Ticats were adamant on not trading him at all. They’re a business. They set a price, you want him? Pay up.

  6. Doug Mc Clintock // July 10, 2018 at 11:52 am // Reply

    I’m from the old school, where at one time a team would develop their players to be the best they can. Not now anymore, they want an instant winner right from day one ! But injuries too force many players to be on the sidelines too often.

    • Doug, Those days are long done. You’re no doubt referring to the days when players were helped to get jobs in large companies in sales as football was king (not just hockey) and it was a part time job. And players were staying longer due to work and also if an American became a Canadian they could get another American.

      Today, players are incented to move to the highest payer as most are not at home anyways and the local draft protection days too are gone. Team GMs negotiate these off season payments then dump the guy before it’s due to be paid in Feb etc.

  7. SeaFiddle, you’re so damn right! This is what fans don’t get in their noggin’: fans make a league, players market that league, investors grow that league. Stadiums are full, players are getting paid way more, it attracts great players, they fire up the league with their play, it attracts media attention, CFL gets more exposure and also more fans south of the border and overseas, then new investors seek to expand the league in other cities or regions. Aside from die-hard NFL fans who want nothing to do with the CFL, who wouldn’t want the CFL to grow, to become a powerhouse in its own right? If you’d like to see it that way, then be a little open-minded so we can become a bigger, better, greater league.

    • Sed, where exactly do you want the CFL to expand to? The United States? Japan? I can promise you this much…that’s not going to happen. It was a bona fide disaster last time the league tried that. Just look at how Gary Bettman has destroyed the NHL by pushing teams into ridiculous markets. Half the players in the NHL wouldn’t have been playing Senior hockey 20 years ago. Dream on, Amigo!

  8. I don’t think anyone could be doing better than Masoli right now. Furthermore, he’s your long term guy. Manziel is here until the end of next year and then gone. I think Hamilton’s best move might be to trade Manziel, but to a western team to get him out of the division. BC and Sask both have QB issues right now and might be willing to give up some assets for Manziel.

    • Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 12:10 pm // Reply

      Hammy has a legit team this year, so you can’t blame them for wanting to have a quality backup pivot this year. But you’re probably right: as trade-bait, Manziel will never be worth more than he is right now – every weekend that goes by, his value drops because there is at least a reasonable chance he’s gone after next year.

      • I think Hamilton would want an experienced backup coming back in the trade. With the Riders I assume it would be Bridge and with BC I assume it would be Jennings. I’m not sure BC is ready to give up on Jennings yet, but they may be close.

    • Manziel could be gone but that’s not set in stone. For him to be gone, he’d have to get an offer from an NFL team, but that offer would be spiced up if he has amazing game tape. Right now, the guy’s in a tough position. If he talks about getting traded then it’s gonna create another media ”circus” and it’s gonna attract bad publicity for him in a sense. If he doesn’t ask for a trade, then he’s not putting his skills on display and it’s not the best thing when you want to go back to the NFL, but I’m sure he’ll get his chance sooner rather than later.

      • Some good game tape would be nice, but the biggest thing he needs to show the NFL is that he’s had a major attitude adjustment. And so far he seems to be doing quite well with that.

    • The CFL isn’t “rich” enough to allow any one team to have an embarrassment of riches. With so few qualified QB’s to go around, and Hamilton hoarding quarterbacks, it’s no wonder the Alouettes, with a ^^%^ like Drew Willy or &*&^% Mathews, are such a *&^% embarrassment.
      OBVIOUSLY Hamilton and her fans want a security blanket at the QB position with the talents of a Johnny Football. But in a 9 team league (at the moment, who knows?) such actions are hardly in anyone’s longterm interest.

      • Eddy Rayner // July 10, 2018 at 1:41 pm // Reply

        Hoarding qb’s?! Every real CFL fan knows you need at least one quality back-up QB in case your #1 goes down. Should Argos have been “forced” to trade Franklin?! Nope … and good on them for having him when Ray got hurt. there is/should not be any compulsion for Hamilton to trade Johnny Football. And if another team truly wants/needs him, then they need to pay the Cats price … IF they decide to put him on the market.

        • Current events in Toronto and Winnipeg should clearly demonstrate that you need a quality backup.

          I totally agree with you Eddie.

          Hamilton worked hard and for sometime to get Manziel here…if another team wants to deal for him…yes ..Tiger cats should be JUSTLY compensated for the effort.

      • That’s not what’s happening here. A couple of months ago someone might have said that the Riders were hording QBs. Collaros has been a top tier QB and Bridge looked like an emerging starter. Fast forward to today and Collaros is out with a concussion and Bridge is struggling. These are just the normal ups and downs of the game. BC has a former MOP in Lulay and a guy who passed for over 5,000 yards a couple of years ago, Jennings, but like the Riders one is injured and the other is struggling. It just so happens that in Hamilton Masoli is solidifying himself as a top tier QB, and Manziel played well enough in pre-season to be drawing interest. There is no hording going on here. These are just the ebbs and flows of the game.

      • Diehardticat // July 10, 2018 at 4:57 pm // Reply

        GIve it up Nostre. Where were you in 2003 when cats won 1 game? Cats hoarding QB’s???? We traded Adams to Montreal fir a bag of peanuts and a buy one slice of pizza and get one free. Nobody and I include you in this nostre, will feel sorry for Hamilton if Masoli gets injured and we are left with a third string who has never played a down in the CFL. CFL long term interest? Montreal is having a bad few years since Calvino retired. Boo hoo. Cats have had 15 years of being owned by ALS. Now, it is our turn to have a nice run. Deal with it and remember the good years until it is your turn again. Cat fans have suffered through many tough years. Manziel is going nowhere.

      • Anyone here want to venture a guess as to when Nostre also use the term “embarrassment of riches” in regard to a team having two quarterbacks?

        The answer would be about a year and an a half ago. Do you wanna know which quarterbacks he proclaimed as being so great and for what team? It was Montreal with the pivots Vernon Adams Jr. and Rakeem Cato.

        Montreal already re-signed up Adams off the scrap heap. They could do the same with Cato. Problem would then be “solved”. So to other CFL teams: There’s no need to help the Als.

        Did Nostre feel sorry for the other teams and was willing to send one of those “prized” quarterbacks to a struggling team back then? You gotta be kidding. He wanted to platoon them to use the so-called strengths of each player to better the team, however laughable that seems today trying to rely on those two to lead your team.

      • When our scouts and management outwork yours that should be to our benefit….not detriment….

    • Rielly is free agent next year. If Johnny is not starting then he will be traded. I see Reilly going to BC and Edmonton trades for Johnny Manziel. He would have his Texas A&M reciever Walker catching passes again in Edmonton.

  9. Montreal will not be good with Kavis as GM….ever. he didn’t address the major issue at QB. You can have 23 legit starters but unless you have a bonafide QB you’re not going anywhere.

    • Popp didn’t either when he manned the GM chair.

      • Popp tied his own hands by allowing Trestman to have the final say at QB. Of course Trestman was going to ride Calvillo every second he could. He was looking for that juicy NFL HC job, which he won largely because of AC’s ascendency as pro football’s all time leading passer.

        Of course Calvillo was going to play every second of every game, whether up or down by 30+ points. He would have done ANYTHING to prevent a much more athletic QB like McPherson to outshine him. He would have dome anything to end his career with all those records.

        Of course backups like McPherson, Leak and Santos were going to be screwed out of their chance to develop, by a team that refused to allow them any on field experience.

        And of course the Alouettes have been floundering as a result, ever since.

        This is on Wetenhall for allowing Popp to make such a franchise-destructive decision. And on Trestman and Calvillo for allowing their selfish personal ambitions to destroy the team that gave them so many opportunities.

        And as usual, the lowliest on the totem pole (we fans), while living the joy of two Grey Cup wins, we never told they came at the expense of the team’s future. A future, unfortunately, we are living NOW.

        • ” we never told they came at the expense of the team’s future. A future, unfortunately, we are living NOW.”

          Those of us viewing this situation from other cities could see this disaster brewing, but were sloughed off by those fans in Montreal.

          I’m not the least bit surprised by events there since Calvillo was forced into retirement.

          And you shouldn’t be either….

    • Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 12:24 pm // Reply

      Exception that makes the rule: Sean Salisbury :^)
      I’m no fan of Reed as a football ‘builder’ and he’ll never make my list of favorite people either (lots of stories of his jerk-headedness from his Wpg days, one in particular I heard first-hand), but Reed isn’t the first guy to have a chance to fix the QB situation for the Als. But any fan of Wpg or Sask, can tell you “addressing the QB situation” is easier said than done. (freakin’ BC, Edm & Calgary seem to be able to shake QBs out of their cereal box for some reason! Superior scouting or luck or both)

      • “(lots of stories of his jerk-headedness from his Wpg days, one in particular I heard first-hand)”

        As an Alouettes fan I would urge you to share. ANYTHING that might hasten Reed’s exit from this team would be doing a service to the it and the league.

        • Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 2:14 pm // Reply

          I doubt I’ll hasten anything blabbing here, and I did share this story once before, but because I “teased”, I’ll share again: My buddy was at the front of a line-up at the stadium along with about 8-10 people behind him, to get on one of the golf carts that would take people up the ramps at the old stadium (he had a wonky ankle so he didn’t want to walk “uphill”). Reed, without saying a word (no “excuse me”, no “urgent Bomber business” or any basic courtesy, walked past the line-up and tried to insert himself at the front. My buddy did a little hip-swivel when he saw what was happening and prevented Reed from cutting in line. Reed was instantly angry (maybe having a bad day already??) and said “at” my friend: “DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO I AM?!” (who talks that way? He was an assistant coach in the CFL, not Beyonce!)
          My buddy is not easily rattled. “Yeah, I know who you are. Do you have any idea who I am? I’m the guy ahead of you in line”. Reed stormed off, giving some minion trying to keep up with him crap. Says something about this guy’s nature, not his ability as a GM or coach – for that, you’d think his time in Edmonton would have ended his career.
          Regardless, I’ve heard he can charm the birds out of the trees when motivated – maybe why he’s still around.

          • Wow. With that kind of narcissism, you’d think there would have been CONSEQUENCES.
            Or at least that he would have been elected president, or something.
            You know what they say, “It’s not WHAT you know, it’s HOW MANY RUSSIANS YOU KNOW.”

          • wewert3 // July 11, 2018 at 5:31 pm //

            Typical John Madden story.

            Madden arrives at the stadium elavator with a number of people ahead of him. Not only does he cut in front of them, he tells everybody already inside the elavator to step outside. Madden then enters the elavator alone, closes the door and proceeds to head to his destination. Last time I checked, that incident did didly-squat in affecting the sales of the Madden Football game.

        • You hire a lousy GM, something even the average fan knew was a bad idea, that is YOUR problem to solve.

          Share means trade???

          And what do the Als have to offer in return??

          Correct answer is NOTHING.

    • Oh. But he DID “address the major issue at quarterback”.
      He got rid of Rakeem Cato, probably the most talented QB the Alouetes have had since McPherson. Signed Durant to a HUGE contract, forcing the team to dismantle one of the best defences of the past decade. THEN, just for fun, he traded Adams Jr., yet another yound potential QB star.
      All while refusing to provide a competent Oline to HC’s like Jacques Chapdelaine, leading to innacurate appraisals of quarterbacks going all the way back to Kevin Glenn: the part-time pignata he pretended was going to “mentor our young QB’s”.
      He addressed the QB problem like someone determined to destroy this franchise. Can’t imagine what he could have against us.

      • So, even if Montreal were to incredibly luck out and get Manziel, he would quickly end up on the injury list caused by the poor Oline you have…

        You have your priorities all wrong…

  10. Montreal should be doing whatever it could to bring Manziel to Quebec. The value, exposure, ticket and jersey sales Manziel brings is like no other. Even if it lasts for only one year, that could be the year they win the Grey Cup; you never know. Plus, it would give the fans in Montreal something to really cheer about, since unlike the other teams they still play in an old stadium, their attendance is at a disastrous low and the owners have no vision for the team. As a GM you want to give the fans another (better) reason to come to the games and such trade would prove it. Steep price for sure, but I’d try that trade to try to keep my job because losing 13 games in a row sure ain’t stellar on any GM resumé.

    • And then he would leave and you would be back where you started.

      If he can help!!??

      Band aid solution at best.

      • Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 12:31 pm // Reply

        Don’t want to nit-pick, but you’ll actually be worse off, because you’re giving up draft picks and other important chess pieces. Ironically, Manzeil’s projected ceiling, esp. his NoFunLeague aspirations may keep him on the bench (unless and until Masoli falters or get hurts).

        • Many of you have this notion that ma Ziegler is not as good or better quarterback than Masoli. He hasn’t taken game reps with the starting offensive line or receivers There is no doubt who has the higher ceiling It is Manziel. There isn’t a ten in the cfl that would not want him if he gets playing like Johnny football can in the cfl. He is a starter not your typical backup. He is patiently waiting.

        • There is no way that Manziel does not get on the field as Jones will work out some plays for him play. This bit about leaving him on the bench until Masoli gets hurt is ridiculous. That will never happen. Once he does get In For series of plays and plays like Johnny football can he will be playing a lot.

          • Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 4:48 pm //

            I guess I over-stated that… I really meant getting a starting gig outside of Hamilton ain’t gonna happen.
            And yeah… I’d want to work him in too. Every D now has to have someone spying Streveler on short yardage plays now for Winnipeg. Throwing Johnny F. out in some special packages will give DCs fits!

    • Yeah, that would be like putting lipstick on a pig. Montreal needs fundamental changes, starting with new ownership.

    • 100% agree. What would we have to lose?

    • Sed, not sure how old you are, but you are definitely not thinking that one through.

  11. Stampeding // July 10, 2018 at 12:22 pm // Reply

    Instead of going after a potential franchise QB’s, the Al’s should sort out their management. Surely the Wentenhals realize Kavis is not a long term solution.
    This supposed new management will dictate the direction they want to go with QB. Why spend a high cost to get him now? Conserve your draft picks.
    There could be some QB opportunities this off season via free agency.

    • “Surely the Wentenhals realize Kavis is not a long term solution.”

      I have seen ZERO evidence this is so. Wetenhall Jr. just declared a couple weeks back that Drew Willy is a “great football player”. Anyone with THAT level of self delusion, and COMPLETE inability to assess talent…well answers the question: what is wrong with the Montreal Alouettes.

      • Stampeding // July 10, 2018 at 1:28 pm // Reply

        I hope you are wrong about that. Perhaps Jr is towing the company line as to not create controversy. The fact is; the Alouettes are still in the thick of the eastern battle, for the time being anyways.

        • They are in LAST place in the East with only one win. And that, against arguably one of the worst teams in the league. They haven’t scored more than ONE TD in a game all season. And they haven’t one a game at home.
          Not sure how “in” the thick of the battle they are, but every time, over the past several seasons, they get the chance to actually climb in the standings, they do what they did against Ottawa. Lose. Embarrassingly.

  12. If only Braley was like a Jerry Jones and would make a unrational move and sign him. Pay $550k + whatever picks and finally fill the stands. Just dreaming… back to work.

  13. No surprise // July 10, 2018 at 12:55 pm // Reply

    Why make Hamilton out to be the bad guys here? They seem to be in a no win situation with a lot of fans right now. They are being criticized for not playing Manziel. They have only played four games. Chris Jones is being criticized far and wide for having a quarterback carousel. June Jones is being criticized by some for not having a quarterback carousel; the cheerleading for Manziel being led by a dude who admittedly is a first year CFL watcher but claims to know better then lifetime CFL fans what needs to be done and done now. How do we know that he isn’t Manziel’s agent calling himself SeaFiddle.
    So let’s assume that Hamilton trades Manziel away. Some fans would be happy but I wouldn’t think that Cat fans would be among them. The following game, Mazoli has a season ending injury. Manziel is gone and especially if he lights it up with his new team, as some predict, Hamilton looks like fools for trading away their backup. June Jones is apparently supposed to trade Manziel for the good of the league. If Mazoli were to go down, will the league insure that Hamilton gets a starting quarterback again? No. Keeping your backup quarterback is called good management.

    • It’s NOT about making ANYONE out to be the bad guys.

      It’s about saving 1/9th of a league that’s hardly been the most successful thing since sliced bread. Saving a Montreal franchise that’s gone under TWICE already, and looks to be going down for the third time. Hardly a charm.

      Hoarding two starting quarterbacks, when a STORIED team like the Alouettes, that has struggled (through its own mismanagement, undoubtedly) to have a winning season in years, and is arguably on the road to collapse, is in nobody’s interest.

      Hamilton’s short term ambitions, if you will pardon me, would seem to pale in comparison.

      • Eddy Rayner // July 10, 2018 at 1:46 pm // Reply

        Hamilton’s short term ambitions??? Dude – when did Hamilton last win a Grey Cup? When did Montreal last win one (or how many since Cats last won one?).

        • Short term ambitions, yes, in comparison with the long-term goal of keeping the Alouettes from going bankrupt. Sorry if that went over your head.

          • Eddy Rayner // July 10, 2018 at 10:30 pm //

            So – when Ticats were barely making payroll, remind me who Montreal sent to us to help out?! Sorry if that went over YOUR head!

        • Exactly Eddy. Wasn’t that also during the Calvillo years when TC’s were getting beat by the Als on a regular basis? Don’t think there was much tears shed for the TC’s at the time by the those cocky and arrogant Als supporters. So I say, screw you Montreal for not having a succession plan…feel the pain!

      • Describing little to no CFL experience behind Masoli as “hoarding” QBs contradicts the idea it’s not about making team(s) the bad guy(s).

        Remind me again what valuable players Montreal was sending to storied Hamilton when they were going bankrupt for the good of the league?

        Even if Hamilton was to send Manziel for a song to Montreal to help them out – what’s the guarantee that mismanagement won’t still result in a losing season?

        • Well I certainly can’t deny the fact that Alouettes ownership and management is largely responsible for this mess.
          Still and all, the Alouettes problems aren’t about whether or not they have a losing season. At this point, it’s whether they’ll crack the 3-15 record they had last season. And if that level of incompetence continues, whether this franchise will survive more than a few more seasons. NO CFL fan wants that.
          And so, arguably, with a quarterback with Manziel’s talent, along with an oline coming into its own, a good receiver corps, decent defence and special teams, it might just pull this club back from the precipice.

          That sounds like something everyone should want.

          As an Alouettes fan, I personally want new ownership, a NEW GM (God, yes) and hopefully a way to move forward from there. But for now, an actual quarterback would be a good place to start.

      • you keep harping on the same point. tiresome!
        dude: it is professional football, not house league.
        (the ticats could be one hit on masoli away from finding out that manziel can’t play; the alouettes could be one game away from giving the starter’s job to vernon adams, so he can win his fourth in a row for the als; you can look that up). either scenario is as likely as not!

  14. OK. So it’s probable that if Manziel had ANY success in Montreal, he’d be gone south after a season or two. But if we had some kind of platoon with Manziel and Adams, both learning the game together, with the understanding that BOTH would start…the Alouettes might just grind that quarterback carousel to a halt.

    Kavis Reed was right when he admonished Als fans for not having the patience to develop young marquee quarterbacks of the future. You know, just before he signed 30 year old Josh Freeman. And while it pains me to agree with ANYTHING Reed has to say, regardless of the greasy untruth of it all, platooning and grooming two young potential QB stars is probably the BEST and perhaps ONLY way we pull ourselves out of this mess.

  15. Some guys are bulletproof, and some guys are like the outhouse wall – crap just sticks. Right now, Reilly leads the league in passing TDs, but also in picks. Masoli is ahead of Reilly in rushing yds and Ticats lead the league in total offence per game. Both Cats and Esks have an identical 2 – 2 record, but nobody’s talking about Edmonton playing their backup QB? Oh yeah, there’s also tieing the league all-time record for consecutive 300+ yd games at nine, with Etcheverry and Austin, and owning the league all-time consecutive completions record – against the Esks! Forget the love; when’s Masoli going to get some respect!

    • Totally agree. Hamilton fans are a funny lot, and I’m one of them so I should know. They ran Tommy Clements and Anthony Calvillo out of town and every year there are calls for the backup QB to play. What in the name of Kevin Eakin is going on in some Cats fans heads?

    • George. You are comparing Edmonton backup QB to Johnny football. Please. I can assure you Manziel would be in the game especially Edmonton loss to Hamilton. Anxiety eould have a set of plays guaranteed as Reilly is only pocket passer. Manziel souls light it up with that team in Edmonton. He eould have walker catching passes for him as they did in Texas A&M.

  16. Edward Leslie // July 10, 2018 at 2:00 pm // Reply

    I have actually been surprised by the play of Jeff Mathews. He looked good for the Alouettes against Ottawa.
    Both he and Willy have solid college backgrounds with Cornell and Buffalo respectively. They both have ample CFL experience too.
    Stability is the best way to turn a team around.
    So, I say stick with Mathews and Willy. What other choice do they have really?

    • Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 2:28 pm // Reply

      I’ve been a long-time supporter of Willy. I like his attitude and the fact he’s a so-called “gun-slinger” (whatever that means – sexy-talk for pocket-passer who takes chances, I guess). And he’s never been on a team that gave him much support O-line wise (why the same personal could protect Nichols and not Willy, I’ll never know) … but as I’ve said before, my fear is Willy’s time at the bottom of pile of defenders while in Wpg broke the guy. Hope I’m wrong … and your thinking here is as legit as any other plan I’ve heard.

    • He’s managed 1 TD throw in a game and a half. That’s shocking by ANY metric. In the CFL it;s downright pathetically anemic.

  17. David Tress // July 10, 2018 at 2:26 pm // Reply

    CFL fans want to see Manziel play as much as Montreal needs a quarterback. If not Montreal, where?

    • Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 2:37 pm // Reply

      Reasonable to at least argue the second most important guy on a team is the back-up QB, so regardless of what CFL fans want to see, I understand the Tabby’s thinking.
      If they traded him and he shines, then Masoli goes down (or loses his mojo), the Box J boys will sharpening their pitch forks and firing up the torches… it wouldn’t be pretty.

      • So what’s more important. That the Cats have a good backup. Or that the CFL continues to field a team in Montreal? It may sound like a stark exaggeration, but Montreal has already lost 2 CFL francises and a MLB franchise.
        There aren’t enough QB’s to go around. Hamilton sitting on a potential starter is just wrong.

        • I agree with you. However as good as Manziel might be he needs an offensive line told up defence a little. But Manziel yo Montreal and starting would benefit Montreal and generate ticket sales but more important good for CFL Who are waiting for him to start. Manziel us a cash cow. The USA a d Canadian media would light up.

        • Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 9:31 pm // Reply

          tried to respond but my reply popped in at the bottom for some reason/should have roughly the same time stamp as this one if you want to search it out – – but to paraphrase – if we have to do that, we have to do that, but that stinks of desperation and means the CFL is not in good shape.

    • I have wanted to see over the last five years CJ Gable to run more often … didn’t happen.

      Why not Hamilton as part of a change up to Masoli?

    • How about he honours the two year contract he signed with the Tiger-Cats? He is not going anywhere anytime soon. For all you Manziel fanatics out there, it’s a long season and he will get his chance to play this year. Just don’t put him too high up on that pedestal ’cause it’s a long way down if he fails to rise to your expectations.

  18. IF the CFL wants to help the ALS get Manzeil, Then hand
    over a set of Grey Cup rings with the Cats name on them
    and mark two winners on the Cup for this year. then Im
    willing to trade him.

  19. Hope they don’t revisit that trade, for Vernon Adams’ sake. Poor guy keeps landing on the wrong team.

  20. No surprise // July 10, 2018 at 4:22 pm // Reply

    Hamilton has already given both Vernon Adams and Matthews to Montreal. When did it become the responsibility of one team, the Ticats to ensure that Montreal keeps their team? The whole league should be concerned about that. If you insist that Hamilton should give up their backup quarterback to Montreal to help that franchise, perhaps by that same train of thought, other teams should also contribute. Montreal’s O line could use some help. Perhaps Winnipeg and Calgary should give up an O lineman each. They have some very good ones. Edmonton could probably lose a receiver to Montreal and still be okay. The Riders have more D linemen and linebackers then they could stir with a stick so they could definitely give up a few without missing a beat. Coaching problems? Well, Winnipeg has an OC that could probably make a difference and Calgary should perhaps give a DC to help the Al’s. Sound ridiculous? It is as ridiculous as asking Hamilton to trade their backup quarterback to the Al’s for the betterment of the league. Manziel, whether you like it or not, is not a proven starter and is Hamilton’s player for two years. If Masoli went down with a season ending injury after trading Manziel away, many Cats fans would be understandably upset and you may end up with yet another team with attendance problems. Ticats management alone is responsible for the decision to play Manziel or sit him or trade him, and their first loyalty belongs to the Ticats.

    • Exactly. Sorry, but the TC’s aren’t on a CFL welfare mission. Bring Sonny Wade out of retirement if you’re that desperate Al’s fans…JC!

  21. They need to get ride of Kavis Reed and bring in a real football man before they end up folding that team.

  22. Kavis Reed has to go…and Andrew Wetenhall needs to stop meddling with football operations…until that happens, no competent GM will come to Montreal…if fans knew how Reed/Wetenhall fired Jacques Chapdelaine and Noel Thorpe, they would throw them out of town…kind of surprised the so called media football experts never reported it…could it be they don’t know? I do, so they must, but no I won’t blab here…or anywhere else…

  23. I think Reed is nowhere near experienced enough to be a GM. He’s making the textbook mistakes of signing and perhaps hiring name people without properly vetting them, see Freeman and perhaps Sherman. He also made the textbook mistake of not having enough good options at QB. Once Freeman flunked out early he was left with Willy. Andrew Wetenhall hired Reed, so he has no idea who to hire. Even if he did get rid of Reed I don’t see any reason to believe that he’s suddenly learned how to hire GMs. I suspect the next guy would be just as bad. I think real change at in Montreal has to start at the ownership level.

  24. Dangnabbit.. CFL fans cherry pick the failures because it makes them feel that the CFL is so hard and special to learn.. Sometimes..but sometimes not.. here is a list if QBs that were a success in first 2 year contract starting in 1947… Frank Philchock, Chuck Ealy, Joe Theisman, Doug Flutie, Warren Moon, Garcia, Ricky ray, Collaros, and that Edmonton kid at least for 2 games until the next injury. Add more if you can think if some or start a bust list.

    • dangnabbit // July 11, 2018 at 2:04 pm // Reply

      If I reached back to 1947 to start a bust list it would be enormous. All the ones I identified were from the last five seasons.

      But even the ones you mention help illustrate my point. Collaros went undrafted and spent a year as a backup in Toronto before getting his first start. Ray got cut in NFL preseason before the Eskimos signed him as a backup to Jason Maas. In general CFL teams have to develop potential in a CFL-specific way, which is largely done by keeping the guy as a backup for a while, during which he learns to read a defence with pre-snap motion and twelve men. The ones who don’t prepare as a backup, but ride a wave of NFL hype straight to a starting job, flame out pretty reliably. It’s better for all concerned if Manziel does things the right way and doesn’t become another flameout – give him time to learn to do his job properly before demanding he become a starter!

  25. Leo, steven others dont get so cocky.. La times article from 1997 said the NFL gave the CFL a 4 mill interest free loan to keep it afloat.. Could happen again if you keep screwing up golden opportunities to add USA tv revenue. Manziel has 4x as many twitter followers as Hamilton’s official population figure

  26. Stevej things are different now with the internet and satellites than 1982-94 Fifa Football Premier league getz a billion Euros from oversees mostly China TV deals all with every single club in just England and Wales. There are no plans to put teams anywhere else. Milk Manziel for a better US deal and yes market tv deals to Japan where Helmet Football is quite popular.

    • I’d have to see the numbers, Dan, but I doubt that the CFL will every be anything than an oddity in the US. The Americans like their guns, parades and Homecoming Queens, but most of all, they love their four down football, just the way Bear Bryant and Bo Schembechler used to dish it up. College ball, the NFL and the fair catch will always rule South of the border. I’m guessing that show with teenage nerds playing video games against each other has a better TV deal the the CFL, so I doubt that one NFL bust is going to swing that ship around.

  27. Paul Bomber // July 10, 2018 at 9:27 pm // Reply

    Ok, so if the choice was give Montreal Manzeil or they fold, well, yeah, you do that then. But just gives me the willies (pun not intended). Reminds me of the old ‘marque player’ rules and cap exemptions they had for Toronto in Flutie/Ishmail days. If we’re that desperate, well, so be it, but I hope we’re not there yet.

    • Montreal needs to get off their collective butts and WORK like every other team in this league…NO ONE should hand them anything….

  28. Al teams go through a drought. It’s Montréal’s turn. They did not prepare for the post Tracy Ham/Anthony Calvillo era. They will eventually find new ownership or management and crawl back. Like the TiCats did after 2003.

  29. If the Ti-Cats trade Manziel I’m out. Ti-Cats are not winning anything wth Masoli.

    • Well, I guess you’re IN then, ’cause they aren’t trading him.

    • Paul Bomber // July 11, 2018 at 12:31 am // Reply

      Not a comment on Manziel, but really? The guy is on the verge of an impressive if not obscure cfl record. Has looked good in general. You sound like a traditional Bomber fan: the best player on the team is the backup QB :^)…. we’re working on that though.

  30. Anthony Kaduck // July 10, 2018 at 11:01 pm // Reply

    Up until two weeks ago the Argos were hoarding QBs. They had Ray and Franklin. Bad Argos.

  31. Well Als fans, the “glory” days are well done…now you have to take that downward spiral like all teams eventually have to…it’s called the “circle of life”…I’ll make sure i’ll shed an extra tear for you…sniff.

  32. I wouldn’t trade Manziel for anything…he compliments Masoli nicely…redemption 2018 probably not…2019 yes.

  33. Hey, people, JM hasn’t proven anything yet. Could he? Maybe. Maybe not. To anoint him as the next one is premature at best, foolhardy at least.
    No, Sed, Young did not have an injury. He feigned an injury to save face, because he wouldn’t have been even number 2 on the depth chart. The alleged wonky limb was never evident on the field, or off…nor was it evident when he went to the airport on his way back home, and there is no evidence that he ever sought medical treatment.
    Remember the “can’t lose” USA sprinter who squared off with our guy years ago…when he was a step behind, and he knew he couldn’t catch up, he suddenly developed a cramp, and pulled up…funny that he never challenged again…just faded into the sunset.

  34. Well, Don, your post certainly did not support your own premise. You went back to 1947…(BTW, the forward pass was almost never used until Jack Jacobs popularized it in the early 50’s…and the run still dominated for years after that)… and still not use all fingers to count the number of successful one or two-year success stories at QB. That is over more than 70 years, dude. So, how does JM figure to be the next “can’t miss” rookie QB? The odds are against it…even for guys without his baggage.

  35. My point was CFL fans cite one guy and say there you go thats proof Manziel will fail. So I can play that game too. Chuck Ealy from U. Toledo (Ohio) Rockets was an instant success in 1972 for Ticats ending with a GC win. Therefore, this is proof positive that John will succeed. Prove me wrong. I will get you started. The only reason Chuck was not in NFL is because he was black. Counter.. The only reason John is not in NFL was because of off field poor behaviour.

  36. It was more than just JM’s domestic agenda. He was a goof-off, thinking he didn’t have to put in the work because he was so great. All of those servings of humble pie that he has devoured since won’t be enough to resurrect his career. His NFL boat has sailed…and they are trimming the sails on his CFL boat. Even if he puts in the work, and learns the game, it will be AT LEAST another year before he can contribute in a meaningful way.

  37. And, you are right about Ealey. He was a talent, but the Tabbies had a great D, and could run the ball…and at that time a whole bunch of points weren’t needed to win. ie. Grey Cup win 13-10 with last gasp FG.

  38. Tabbies have a great D now. If Masoli does not improve red zone efficiency, cut down on point producing turnovers for other side, or increase his pass completion from the last Rider game we have to look at a change. Defences may have gotten wise to the run and shoot with Masoli in charge. What John brings is more unpredictability and improvisational skills. I recall from the second pre-season game that Coach June said he left Mr. Football in longer than he wanted to because all the reserve receivers were running the wrong routes…but June continues… you saw he moved the chains anyway.. (despite the screw ups by receivers). That is something you can not teach or study. You can or you can’t.

  39. Can’t see Johnny Manziel going back to the NFL UNTIL he actually plays in the CFL and shows the football world he is back 100% and ready to lead a team to consistent wins. The 2 new leagues starting up in 2019 the AAFL and in 2020 the new XFL will take him in a heartbeat whether he plays or not in the CFL. They need a BIG NAME guy to kick start their league in a big way.

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