3Down Debate: Kevin Glenn is not a Hall of Famer

Kevin Glenn has had a long, storied CFL career, and now that he has passed for over 50,000 yards, the question has arisen as to whether he is worthy of induction into the Canadian Football Hall of Fame. Today, 3DownNation’s Josh Smith (pro) and Santino Filoso (con) will debate the case for Glenn’s enshrinement.

Let’s get something out of the way immediately, there’s no denying that Kevin Glenn has had one of the most unique careers in CFL history. After all, not many players suit up for six different teams over the course of a 17 (so far) year career. That said, longevity, being a good teammate and having an interesting story shouldn’t be what qualifies one for the Hall of Fame. And saying so doesn’t take away from what Glenn has achieved, because I won’t be arguing that he hasn’t been or isn’t a good quarterback. But there’s a difference between good and great.

Here’s my argument against the idea of Kevin Glenn as a Hall of Famer.

1) The passing stats don’t back it up

Although he recently crossed a major milestone (50,000 career passing yards), the majority of Glenn’s stats don’t stack up against the greatest of all time. In fact, for most of his career, his numbers have been merely pedestrian. Over the course of his time in the CFL, Glenn has averaged 256.8 yards per game, a 63% completion rate and thrown for 300 yards in a game 49 times (which just puts him ahead of Kent Austin). To put that in perspective Matt Dunigan crossed the 300 yard mark 62 times and only made 194 career starts (Glenn currently has 196 starts under his belt). Ahead of Dunigan you’ve got Danny McManus (63 times), Damon Allen (65), Doug Flutie (74), Henry Burris (93) and Anthony Calvillo (125).

Glenn has also never sustained any kind of consistent passing dominance in the league. Part of being a Hall of Famer is being better than your peers (or at least among the top tier) for a significant period of time. Glenn’s crossed the 5000 yard mark in a season twice, thrown for 4000 plus once but otherwise put up unremarkable passing numbers. He’s also been an All-Star just once, and never been the CFL’s MOP.

It may be harsh to point out, but the fact of the matter is Glenn’s passing stats are so high not because he’s ever dominated but rather due to his incredible durability.

2) He’s only been a starter for 64% of his career

Of the 17 seasons Glenn’s played in the CFL, he’s only been a true starter for 11 of them. And while there’s nothing wrong with that, the reality is that if he were an authentic Hall of Famer, he wouldn’t have been signed (and traded for) as a back up so regularly. Too often, when a team has added Glenn, it’s been as insurance, not to come in, take the reins and make them a Grey Cup contender. Sure, he’s been able to stay healthy and proven himself to be dependable, but are those the adjectives that spring to mind when you hear the words Hall of Fame?

3) Not enough wins

While football is the ultimate team sport, it’s common knowledge that legacies, especially as far as quarterbacks are concerned, revolve around wins. That’s why they’re praised when things go well and pointed to as the problem when they don’t. Glenn’s 196 career starts have led to 96 wins. That’s good for 48%, meaning Glenn has won less than half of the games he’s played in. Every other Hall of Fame quarterback has won more games than he’s lost. Furthermore, Glenn has never led his team to more than 10 wins in a season. Even if wins aren’t the most important quarterback stat, if you’re talking Hall of Fame candidacy, they must be a part of the conversation.

4) Lack of playoff success

In 17 seasons (11 as a starter), Glenn has carried his team to the playoffs 9 times, which definitely respectable. What isn’t is the fact he’s won just 4 of his 11 playoff games. When the games have counted the most, Glenn has repeatedly failed to rise to the occasion, throwing for more interceptions than touchdowns (13 to 11) and watched his completion rate drop (to 60%). On top of never having won a Grey Cup, in his lone championship appearance (in 2012 vs the Argos), Glenn went 14/27 (51.8%) for 222 yards, no touchdowns and one backbreaking interception.

Nothing about Glenn’s playoff history screams “among the best all time”.

5) A Hall of Fame spot isn’t a long term participation award

To be blunt, the Hall of Fame isn’t for slightly above average, which is what Glenn has been for the majority of his career. A spot in the Hall shouldn’t be a lifetime achievement award for a guy who’s main claim to fame is his durability and the fact that he’s suited up for 6 of 9 teams in the league. Of course hitting the 50,000 yard passing mark is impressive, no-one is denying that. After all, only seven other quarterbacks in the history of the league have achieved the same feat. But if you take into account his entire career and body of work, there’s simply no way that Glenn should be included in the Hall of Fame.

Santino Filoso

Santino Filoso

Born and raised in the 613, Santino has written about the Redblacks since 2013. He is the only CFL writer currently living in Brazil (as far as we know.)
Santino Filoso
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Born and raised in the 613, Santino has written about the Redblacks since 2013. He is the only CFL writer currently living in Brazil (as far as we know.)

27 Comments on 3Down Debate: Kevin Glenn is not a Hall of Famer

  1. Scottsask // August 1, 2017 at 11:58 am //

    Only started 64% of his career proves he’s hall of fame worthy, period.

  2. George Fogarty // August 1, 2017 at 12:07 pm //

    Ha love the pro / con stuff, great articles.

  3. Enrico Della Penta // August 1, 2017 at 12:10 pm //

    Yeah good QB HOF, meh?

  4. White Horse // August 1, 2017 at 12:16 pm //

    In 2012 KG had his best season ever. The Stamps were the leagues best team. 15 and 3. KG took the Stamps to the Grey Cup as big favorites against an Argos team that was so-so. 100th Grey Cup had Rick Ray for the Argos and he totally showed KG how to QB the big game. KG had his big chance and his crucial interception blew the Stamps chances to win.

    • Hors E Power // August 1, 2017 at 12:21 pm //

      Remember a few things about 2012.
      1- After Tate went down where would the stamps have been without Glenn?
      2- I’m not sure Calgary was a huge favorite that game. Remember BC finished first and was a huge favorite to get back to the cup. We went into a hostile, loud BC place and Glenn was the difference maker in that upset WF

    • Hors E Power // August 1, 2017 at 12:23 pm //

      fyi calgary wasn’t 15-3 in 2012 they were 12-6

  5. The Hall of Fame is misnamed — it should be the Hall of Excellence. Regardless, it should be reserved for players who truly were among the best at their position for a reasonable period of time. Glenn was never that.

    Terry Greer and Mervyn Fernandez were two of the three greatest receivers of the 1980s (along with Brian Kelly), yet they are not in the Hall. Why? Because they played only six years? So did Warren Moon, and he’s in the Hall. Moon had one MOP season and set a passing-yards record that was subsequently broken. Greer had one MOP finalist season (he lost to Moon) and set a reception yards record that was subsequently broken. Fernandez had one MOP season. The three are about as comparable as you can get between two receivers and one QB. Something is really wrong with this picture.

    And don’t even get me started about Hank Ilesic, except this: if Bob Cameron is in the Hall (and he is), then Hank and his booming leg and SEVEN Grey Cup rings should have been in years ago.

    As for Glenn, not even close to Hall-worthy, IMO. An average to slightly-above-average player; the only reason he’s at 50k is longevity, and the only reason he’s had longevity is he has been an experienced backup QB sought by several teams as an insurance policy.

    • Hors E Power // August 1, 2017 at 1:57 pm //

      As for Glenn, not even close to Hall-worthy, IMO. An average to slightly-above-average player; the only reason he’s at 50k is longevity, and the only reason he’s had longevity is he has been an experienced backup QB sought by several teams as an insurance policy.

      PW13- If Glenn was only a back up caliber player why was Winnipeg and Hamilton content to make him a starter? A backup Caliber QB doesn’t get to start an entire season when the starter is hurt in game 2. Glenn solidified the position in Calgary. A backup caliber QB wouldn’t have and Calgary would have been airlifting guys in to find a starter.

      Back up QBs do not pass for 50,000 yards.
      Sometime this fall the only Pro QB’s to pass for more yards than Glenn will be the following:
      Anthony Calvillo
      Damon Allen
      Peyton Manning
      Brett Favre
      Warren Moon
      Drew Brees
      Henry Burris
      Tom Brady
      Dan Marino
      Doug Flutie
      Ricky Ray
      Pretty elite company I would say

    • There’s certainly an argument in any HOF about players left out and that is a good barometer for Glenn. Greer, Fernandez, and Austin are all worth mentioning as more deserving. When you consider that Fernandez played six seasons in the middle of his career for the Raiders (and added another 3700 receiving yards to his total), there is no way to justify Glenn as a Hall members until Servyn Mervyn gets his dues. #24 in orange is not the player who deserves consideration ahead of KG, but he’s a good example.

      Most compelling argument against KG is touched in this article but it bears repeating: he was never even the best QB in the league at any point in his career. AC, Damon Allen, Henry Burris, DD,Ricky Ray, Kerry Jospeh, Travis Lulay, Mike Reilly, and Bo Levi were all better QBs in any given year than KG ever was.

      In his entire career, he’s been the CFL’s offensive player of the week a total of three (3) times. Even Casey Printers can match that total.

      Not deserving. Not remotely.

      • Johnny Blumpkin // August 2, 2017 at 7:39 pm //

        I guess you missed the 2007 season when he was nominated as MOP.

        • But he didn’t miss the fact that Glenn didn’t get it. Again, the hall of fame shouldn’t be filled with guys who were *almost* a bunch of things. It’s to recognize achievement, not coming close a bunch of times.

  6. Scottsask // August 1, 2017 at 2:36 pm //

    He should have also remained the starter during his very first tenure in Saskatchewan. Instead Roy and Danny went with….Nealon Greene. One of the worst qbs I’ve ever witnessed.

  7. Guaranteed. Guaranteed to eventually go in to the HOF. He will. Other current players that will go in: Ray, BLM, Durant, Dressler, Thick Nick, SJ, Messam, Harris, Hughes, Chick, Bowman, Elimimien, Chad Owens, Fantuz, Willis, Adarius B. Time will tell with Reilly, Ellingson, Sinopoli, Lulay and a few others. I would think Bighill could go in even if he does not come back from NFL.

  8. Where’s the debate? This one sided attack on an active CFL QB is written by a dude writing a blog from – wait for this – BRAZIL? This is what’s wrong with so called sports journalism these days. Idiots who don’t go to games, have no connection to the game and live thousands of miles can talk rubbish like this. WTF.

    Not likely to be reading 3 Down Nation any longer.

    • Your loss, not ours.

    • CC Rider // August 2, 2017 at 7:37 am //

      They have planes now. Santino has been to games.

      They have televisions and computers, too, and sometimes they’ll give you an ever better perspective than a live game. If I had to rely on someone who can only watch on TV or live, I’d choose the TV person.

    • Enrico Della Penta // August 2, 2017 at 1:49 pm //

      Get outta here Greg you know nothing about this writer you bozo, he is probably a bigger CFL fan then you and probably much more knowledgeable. Go back to your abacus and caclulate how many games you’ve been to.

    • George Fogarty // August 2, 2017 at 2:00 pm //

      Guess you never watched a game on TV or heaven forbid use the internet to get your information. Its ok Greg we can see how upset you are best go read the paper and don’t forget to blow out the candles when you leave your house to go to work.

  9. Anonymous // August 2, 2017 at 3:25 am //

    Why talk about thus now??
    The guys still playing,and in an era of great competition as well.He could very well be playing past 40 and with a few more records to break,and who knows? Maybe a championship or 2? Stupid article period.

  10. Ron Taylor // August 2, 2017 at 12:00 pm //

    As usual, the debate hinges on numbers and I guess this is kind of normal… but it does a great dis-service to players from the past. They didn’t put up the numbers when offenses didn’t have the rules tilted in their favour and offensive philosophies were way different. Back in the day you probably ran the ball 25 times and passed it maybe 20. It is also in current favour to mention those with Grey Cup rings. Mentioning Ilesic with 7 rings is kind of stupid. Great talent, but…he was a punter and like Grant Fuhr, had some aces in front of him winning those cups. That being said, there is always going to be a debate on who goes in to the Hall. Swervin’ Mervin was one of the best I ever saw. KG has longevity, which in itself is an accomplishment. It would help if he wins a Cup, but the Riders are not there yet. I guess we’ll see once his career is done!

  11. Stephen Fisher // August 2, 2017 at 2:26 pm //

    This season, right now, Glenn is playing excellent football. As well as anyone in the league. If he keeps this up, over two seasons He could get close to 60,000 and make the decision easier.

  12. Hector Poncho Comachoo // August 2, 2017 at 7:29 pm //

    The CFL has a Hall of Fame?

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