Time for Riders to end the Vince Young experiment

If quarterback Vince Young rejoins the Saskatchewan Roughriders, the CFL team should immediately fire the guys in charge of player personnel.

Chris Jones and John Murphy are those guys. Jones is Saskatchewan’s vice-president of football operations, general manager, head coach and defensive co-ordinator. Murphy is Saskatchewan’s assistant vice-president of football operations and player personnel.

Young’s return would prove that Jones and Murphy have absolutely no ability to assess talent.

A great college quarterback from the University of Texas whose NFL career started brilliantly before fading, Young cannot play in the CFL. He proved it during training camp, before tearing a hamstring and returning to the U.S. Yet Young recently told a TV reporter he’s rehabilitating his injury and that the door is open for him to rejoin the Roughriders.

Jones told reporters Thursday in Regina that, indeed, Young can return to Saskatchewan. But the boss hadn’t heard recently from Young, who was reportedly released by the Roughriders on June 17, before reports surfaced that he had instead been placed on the team’s retired list, free to rejoin the squad any time during the season.

Young’s signing was a sideshow. It was well-documented in a recent edition of Sports Illustrated, which showed him to still be bitter over his treatment by his first NFL coach, Jeff Fisher, with the Tennessee Titans. The article barely touched on his inability to adapt to the Canadian game or to his teammates, but like his recent TV interview it mentioned the myriad business ventures he is promoting.

Young’s appearance certainly garnered great attention but made nobody believe he was the second coming of Doug Flutie. The circus should be over.

The Riders are getting good quarterbacking from Kevin Glenn and they have high hopes for backup Brandon Bridge. Their third-stringer, rookie Marquise Williams, arrived late in camp and blew right past Young in his ability to comprehend and handle a CFL offence. Unless the Riders are simply trying to get attention — attention that could hurt the team — there is absolutely no reason to bring back Young.

Darrell Davis

Darrell Davis

Darrell Davis has reported on the Riders for more than 20 years and was inducted into the Canadian Football Hall of Fame media wing in 2006.
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51 Comments on Time for Riders to end the Vince Young experiment

  1. Antlerman // July 21, 2017 at 2:15 pm //

    Grabbing attention Darrell nobody cares about your stories Jones is showing respect to a football vet Young is done .why dont you write a positive stoey once in a while soon you and Carm will be sharing a golf cart

  2. Lochtess54 // July 21, 2017 at 2:16 pm //

    In 3, 2, 1…..

    Commence the horse droppings….

  3. Is it me.. or does Darrell Davis look like a much, much fatter Dale from King of the hill?
    Really Mr. Davis, you have no business making some of these comments. let’s just blow the whole thing up dispite having a team that looks the best it has since a 2013 grey cup year. And that was a bought and paid for team.. What a dummy.

  4. Guess Vince didn’t give Darrell any coupons to use at his steakhouse. I can understand why he’s bitter. Well lets face it Davis is almost as vehemently against anything that Chris Jones does as Horsie is. I rather like the roster we have this year. I’d say that the rebuild is going well myself.

  5. Judge Jones // July 21, 2017 at 2:20 pm //

    Jones is absolutely obsessed with being the center of attention. He wants to be known as the genius who brought back a wreck that not one in the NFL wanted to waste his time on. What can you say? He almost did it with Mitchell, well, not quite, Mitchell never played a down for him. There are hundreds of quarterbacks not working south and that is the best he can come up with? Good grief!

    • So you just base his his overall talent finding abilities(Oday, and Murphys as well) on less than a handful of players.. that never even touched the field? Good grief Judge Jones! What part of no stone unturned do you not understand?

    • GoStamps // July 21, 2017 at 8:18 pm //

      That’s what Darell is saying the lineup looks good. Don’t mess with it and throw in a throw away NFL’er

  6. Hors E Power // July 21, 2017 at 2:36 pm //

    Lol… typical venom from rider fans. Instead of criticism, why don’t you guys read the meat of this article..its absolute truth!..Geez guys..if all it took was hiring a failed out if control former nfl star like young to make a good cfl team, we could all do the job!!!!

  7. Horsie…But you are failing to see the rest of the signings. Because of your hate(including Mr. Davis), you are blinded to see that. The next GM job is going to Horsie I guess. The best armchair GM in the league!! LOL!!!

  8. RJ Johnson Jr // July 21, 2017 at 2:43 pm //

    Davis is just still bitter that Jones got rid of the love of his life, Darian Durrant (who by the way SUCKS in the QB rankings). Give it up Davis, do some work and come up with a REAL story.

  9. Southwest cowboy // July 21, 2017 at 2:47 pm //

    I totally agree with every word you wrote Darrell Davis. As for all of your bashers…they are either brainwashed or baffled by BS, it’s obvious they are not thinking.

    • How are we the bashers? He’s basically saying fire the whole staff from top to bottom. On a rebuild… after only just over a year into it. With a team that has tons and tons of potential.. Sounds like he’s just butthurt over something. I hope he’s the next Carm, on the way out.
      Whatever happened to thinking outside the box? Seems to me, a lot of you are narrow minded.

      • Um, I think that part of the column was facetious.

      • Hors E Power // July 21, 2017 at 3:22 pm //

        If you lose on Saturday you will be 1-3. With nothing but CFL retreads on the roster and a huge scouting staff it’s pretty clear things aren’t happening. You’ve had 2 off seasons and not much to show for it

        • A team thats lost by a combined 4 points so far.. I’m not writing this season off. Its not like we’ve been blown out by any means. Tomorrow will the be the true test, its going to be the game of the week hands down.
          And you will be 2-2-1 if you lose.. Should you guys start firing the whole staff from top to bottom? Coming from a grey cup team, not much to show for it. Just a team that looks out of place. If you ask me

          Also Horsie… Are you Darrell Davis!? We gotta try and figure out who you are and get you a date.

  10. mrincomprehensible // July 21, 2017 at 3:20 pm //

    This was a dead issue until this article.
    By the way, I think I saw Elvis at Walmart. Him and Horsey were hanging out.

  11. White Horse // July 21, 2017 at 3:30 pm //

    I think the riders are putting a decent team together this season. We will see just how much improvement this Saturday against the Stamps.
    The Vince Young sh.t storm was just a stupid publicity stunt by Jones/Murphy that makes them look very lame. Shades of a previous ‘lame’ Stamps owner named Federek.

  12. mrincomprehensible // July 21, 2017 at 3:38 pm //

    The west is the test for all teams this year. Again.

  13. Darrell Davis why are you a commentator for the Riders when all you do is seek attention through your nonstop negativity.No matter what the Riders do you suggest the opposite.According to you the Riders can do no right.You and horse face can maybe go on a double date in his mothers basement as you have so much in common.You guys are football soul mates a match made in heaven.

  14. Hors E Power // July 21, 2017 at 4:08 pm //

    WOW! I hope one day, when the dust clears on the Chris Jones/ Jon Morphy fiasco Rider fans will be able to read these posts an realize how brainwashed they were. They will feel quite foolish I think

    • Just like you’ve been brainwashed by John Murphy for when he was in Calgary, doing the recuiting for Huffy? You seem a little bitter man. Maybe a chill pill is in order, and you can stop and think before you start to post. Just a thought.. Only trying to help you out. We are all a bit worried about you.

      • Bushman // July 21, 2017 at 5:24 pm //

        The Stamps haven’t missed a beat since Murphy left, and the Riders are not a hell of a lot better since he joined them. To me, that says Murphy, like his buddy Chris Jones, is highly over rated.

        • Yeah… because they were never highly sought after at all eh Bushman. Pretty sure teams poached them for a reason.
          We are under a full rebuild man. What part of rebuild do you people not understand?
          I’m a leafs fan as well.. guess what, finally someone had the balls to restart fresh and the team has never looked better.

          • Bushman // July 21, 2017 at 6:21 pm //

            A rebuild I can understand, but not to the extent it is / was. Jones has this huge ego problem, and he has to prove he’s the smartest man in the room. At the moment, that said room would have to be the size of a phone booth. Name one championship team Jones has built personally over the course of his career. I’ll wait…………

  15. pantsonfire // July 21, 2017 at 4:18 pm //

    What spells success in Riderville? Apparently losing 2 games by 4 points is something to celebrate & beating the TiCats brings absolute euphoria. So if you lose by 1 to the Stamps will the Grey Cup chatter begin? You really should beat them with all the injuries they have so we’ll see. Either way I’m sure the Jones love affair will continue. News flash. Never mind Young stunk in camp, the message Jones would send to his QB’s would not be good. A genius like Jones should know that but then he JUST figured out rushing 3 wasn’t a recipe for success – something the average fan knew a long time ago.

    • The haters are gonna hate. Simple as that. We are simply trying to defend ourselves from all the haters out there making a mountain out of a molehill from these stories. Look whos writing all of these stories for your sources. Obviously you have never watched a Jones defense play before. His play calling is considered outside the box. Every person that has worked with him will tell you that. And pantsonfire He’s been rushing 3 man for as long as he’s been a DC. Just in case you have never really watched a game before.

  16. Next in line Please!

  17. Agree with horse, the Vince young experiment is stupid. They say it costs nothing to bring him in? So he won’t take a roster spot away from someone?

  18. pantsonfire // July 21, 2017 at 5:56 pm //

    I don’t think Jones’ rushing 3 is a surprise to anyone, least of all OC’s throughout the league, RobE. You gear your system around your talent, not the other way around. You may have noticed Jefferson mentioned after last game he was happy that they rushed 4 & more because it made life easier for him & he got more pressures. So much for Jones “outside the box” thinking. It’s not “outside the box” if everyone knows what you’re doing. I’ll add that it’s not outside the box putting players in positions they’ve never played before. How’s Francis, receiver turned LB & Leonard, TE turned DE, working out for the Riders? They rank 14th & 22nd in tackles – that’s on the Rider team, not league wide. YAWN.

  19. Unless you are bringing the talent in for around your gameplan. Of course youre going to hear DE say he would rather have 4 man pressure, that means there is less stress on him to get after the QB. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Except thats not always part of the plan.. Its not like we don’t have the push in the middle, Minter and Steele have been solid for us. As for your A.C. Leonard comment, he’s been holding his own fine(he see him flying all over the field, if you watch the same game as I do). It takes time to learn a new position, especially at the pro level. Jefferson was a reciever coming out High school, only converted later on in College. Seems to have found his footing quite fine. Changing a position just doesn’t happen over night. Its not all on the lineman for collecting the mass of tackles(They are meant for QB pressure and Gap plugging)(I played the position, I know). Pretty sure its always been a LB winning those awards. So whats your point?

  20. We are literally a day away from the game of the week(potentially the season). Lets just save all the hating/loving for after the game. Can we kids?

    • White Horse // July 21, 2017 at 8:42 pm //

      Game of the season? Are you serious? Maybe for the sliders but definitely not for the Stamps.

  21. pantsonfire // July 21, 2017 at 6:31 pm //

    Ok, save it for Sunday. You’re right about the tackling. But Francis IS a LB. As for Leonard, his stats don’t compare to the majority of DE’s in the league. It is an indication of how a DE ranks. So, yeah, let’s say he’s learning. But how long should we give him. He had a whole year last year, a couple of good games & pretty much a non-factor most of the season. Why not find a true DE, LB? Isn’t that what Jones & Murphy are known for? After Blair Smith’s injury last night, Esks are now on their 4th National @ LB. They’re not looking @ on the job training for a converted WR or whatever. They play the next National guy who just happens to be a LB. If the Esks can find that many how is it the Riders can’t dig up some actual LB talent? Just my opinion.

  22. Maybe Vince Young will come back to Saskatchewan to assist in the Fall Harvest? As for actually playing — forget it — He could be on the Rider Radio Broadcast as a Backup. The Game vs the Stamps will determine if the Riders will be in contention this season.

  23. BleedzGreen // July 21, 2017 at 9:23 pm //

    “Time for Riders to end the Vince Young experiment”

    No, it’s time for 3DN to stop writing and/or reporting on “the Vince Young experiment”. Give it a bloody rest already!

  24. RobE if the bring him in it takes reps away from a young up and comer. Vince quit he had no hamstring issue. Wouldn’t even be third string.

  25. Don’t get me wrong, when they brought him in it was interesting. But his is clearly not good enough to compete. Go riders

  26. Hors E Power // July 21, 2017 at 11:38 pm //

    Will Jones look OJ Simpson???

  27. If this was Johnny Manzell, RG III or Caprineck would there be a issue of giving a guy a second chance who did not even play in a real game to show his stuff?

    • Hors E Power // July 22, 2017 at 12:50 am //

      The issue isn’t so much given him another chance because injuries preventing him from “showing his stuff”. It’s the fact he was given a chance in the first place.
      It was a bad idea from the start. Guys in his position NEVER revive their careers. There are many factors why. BY all accounts we was falling down the depth chart everyday proving this assessment.

  28. Whoa…apparently have to fill out a hurt feelings report if you reply to horsie or bushwacker. Ooooops

  29. I can’t believe you get paid to write this shit. Day after day plain garbage. Sick of listening to your shit on green zone.

  30. ,,Patience // July 22, 2017 at 10:08 am //

    Why don’t they just fire every reporter that doesn’t totally endorse everything that Jones does? We certainly don’t want to hear or read any dissenting opinion. And while they are at it, let’s give Jones and Murphy a ten year extension to their contracts because it may be a ten year rebuild. May as well sign Kevin Glenn to another five years too. If some of you are so confident that they can get it done, then why do you feel it necessary to defend them with name calling and ridicule? At some point over the next year, Jones will be successful and you will be vindicated, or he will continue to have a losing record and a replacement will be sought. In the meantime, Jones and Murphy are getting their chance. Some of you believe in them totally but a lot of us don’t. Apparently, the believers have the right to express their support while the skeptics are not allowed to voice their opinion but should be banished from all forums. Now that is narrow minded.

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