It’s time for the Riders to move on from Vince Young

The Vince Young experiment with the Saskatchewan Roughriders is more or less over, the question now is how will it play out?

On Monday, the Riders announced that the former NCAA and NFL quarterback will be out four to six weeks with a torn hamstring. If Young was still, well, young then maybe you stash him on the injured list, add him to the practice roster once healthy and give him another chance late in the season or next season at training camp. At 34-years-old, there’s little to no point in giving Young that chance. It’s not like Young was clearly the best quarterback through the first two weeks of training camp, so it’s basically nothing gained but nothing lost.

The only question left to be answered is do the Riders cut ties soon or give Young some time on the injured list once the season begins and quietly let him go at some point during the season or once the season is over?

The news on Monday created plenty of discussion whether the Riders should have signed Young in the first place. In retrospect, the team would have been better off going in another direction. That’s the easy answer. At the same time, when you have room to take a chance on someone like Young, there’s no harm in giving it a go either. At worst, it doesn’t work out and you’re onto the next guy, at best, you find someone who can play quarterback in the CFL, which isn’t always the easiest thing to do. In this case, it didn’t work out.

The Young experiment not working is suddenly not a big deal after the play of Brandon Bridge against the Blue Bombers. The Toronto native is the clear favourite to back up Kevin Glenn when the season begins. The attention now turns to Bryan Bennett and Marquise Williams. In all likelihood, one guy will find himself on the 46-man roster to open the season and the other (if they accept) will be on the practice roster. Bennett had a rough game against Winnipeg but has looked good in practice. Will he have a better go at it with the jitters of his first game out of the way? We’ll find out. Williams was strong during the game but was facing a defence that was sitting back. He should see time earlier in the game to see just what he’s capable of this week against B.C.

The Riders now have three quarterbacks behind Glenn that are young and have the chance to develop into more than they currently are. That’s really all you can do, just keep bringing in quarterbacks until something clicks. Just like Young, whether this group works out or not has yet to be seen. If it works out, then the Riders are set. If it doesn’t, then it’s back to the drawing board.

Joel Gasson

Joel Gasson

Joel Gasson is a Regina-based sports writer, broadcaster and football fanatic.
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162 Comments on It’s time for the Riders to move on from Vince Young

  1. Stephen Fisher // June 14, 2017 at 10:05 am //

    Under the collective agreement are they allowed to cut an injured player who is under contract?

    • As he is a rookie, in the CFL, he can be cut at no cost to the Riders. Having said that, don’t know that he will be.

    • They can get rid of any player at any time. The Riders released both Chick and Dressler who were under contract and did not want to renegotiate.

      • That was in the offseason though, with different rules regarding veterans.

        • When is the deadline to force them to renegotiate or get released as a vet?

          • I’m not a contract lawyer, but important dates are usually the free-agency date in early Feb, another is when roster bonuses are due, which I believe can be different in each contract, and of course once the pre-season and then regular season starts they are bound by the union agreement. In the off season there is not much that is holy.

  2. Eddiefelson // June 14, 2017 at 10:21 am //

    When this signing took place, there was a big debate on whether the game would be too fast for him.

    Verdict in?

  3. mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 10:48 am //

    See this is what I’ve been harping on for the last 3 months. You sign a guy like Young you’re putting yourself under a microscope. A look at the stories of whether to cut or put on IR? This would not happen with a regular player. No matter what happens it’s controversial. Some will priase some will critize. It puts undue pressure on an organization.

    Young was a big risk, the odds highly unlikely that we would be good enough. It was foolish if Jones to take that risk.

    • I disagree in that there is little to no risk. Little financial risk and missing out on bringing an extra QB to camp. All of the media crap will be forgotten once the season starts and this time next year it will be a distant memory. Ya we could have brought in a different younger QB in his place that may have been the next big thing, but lets face it those guys almost never pan out. When you look at the slight chance that Young could have produce close to what he did 6-8 years ago, I was happy to take the risk. We are out next to nothing and he was an exciting player just a few years back with little wear and tare on his body.

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 12:27 pm //

        Out nothing financially but you’ve lost in reputation

        • Maybe in your eyes, but not most. Most see this for what it was, a good gamble. There is absolutely no reputation lost because like I said short of you and a few other negative nelly’s, no one will be talking about this by next year.

          • melonhead // June 14, 2017 at 1:08 pm //

            plus any “lost reputation” is more than offset by the amount of publicity this has generated for the team, both in Canada and the US.

          • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 1:28 pm //

            Publicity!!! Thats my point..the microscope is on you and will expose this failure

          • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 1:32 pm //

            It’s hard to argue that outside of rider land this was viewed as a signing that would fail. Guess what?IT DID!!!!.,Although injured it sounds like he was rapidly falling down the depth chart.

            When others are proven right and you are proven wrong you lose credibility

          • Judge Jones // June 14, 2017 at 8:38 pm //

            You’re right. Next year it will be Micheal Vick who will be making a great return.

          • I am a BC Lion fan (i.e., out of “rider land” ) and do not see how this was a bad risk. Now, if he was an axe murderer, sure but the man’s biggest ‘error’ was being out of football for a while and all he wanted was to play. I admire guys like that and would find it BAD publicity for not giving the guy a chance. It’s not like he was 95 and trying to still live a dream. Anyway, I agree with you guys. Was worth a shot. No one hurt, nothing (including reputation) lost.

        • anyone who supports a franchise that made themselves the laughing stock of the league such as former stumps owner michael feterik naming his son kevin as starting qb did for the stumps, need not talk about reputation. Now zip it son

  4. To say there is no cost is not correct. Jones said more than once that he was prepared to go with one of his young players & then brought in Young causing uncertainty about his commitment to his young QB’s. As long as Young is on the injured list & still a Rider, Jones is signalling that Young is still an option. There’s also Heaps somewhere in the picture leaving the QB situation unsettled. Make a decision!!! We’re on our way to another QB carousel all season -no way to develop a QB, not a winning formula. In Edmonton for example Reilly says they are still learning the offence after 1 year in. Is the Rider offence so simple we can just shuttle new QB’s in & out? I would hope not. Make a decision – stop overthinking everything with the constant experiments. Be a coach.

  5. I can’t believe your starting QB is Kevin Glenn…?…really?

    • Ladd Law // June 14, 2017 at 11:31 am //

      A decade ago Glenn was poised to win a Grey Cup. Injury in the East Final prevented him from playing in the GC and the Riders won. Had he played, not sure that happens. I believe this is Glenn’s swan song year and he’ll follow in Hanks footsteps by going out on top with a ring on his finger, with the club where his career began.

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      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 11:40 am //

        He plays in that GC Winnipeg wins.

        • Highly debatable, but an interesting one. There was lots of tape on Glenn, none on Dinwiddie, that was a large factor in the game preparation.

          • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm //

            I was actually at that game (sucked for me) it was probably the dullest greycup I’ve ever seen. Defensive struggle but I think it was more a case of offensive incompetence

  6. Swan song yes. But very likely a duet in perfect harmony with Jones. The curtain will fall before November in Ottawa.

  7. mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 12:32 pm //

    No matter what happens with Young what happens next year should the organization retain Jones? If he can’t get Franklin does he go after another Young? Manzeil? Tebow? Crouch?

    • Ladd Law // June 14, 2017 at 3:27 pm //

      You win again. You’re insight and analysis is over the top and bang on. For a Rider hater that is. Otherwise you’re just blowing smoke out your backside per usual and showing your standard low class. Sad life you must live.

  8. Greenland // June 14, 2017 at 12:42 pm //

    Your going to start in on next year already?

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 1:11 pm //

      With all due respect Greenland..yes I think next year talk is valid with the riders. This team has no QB and is now a patch work of former/medeocre players from other teams. This has never been a recipe for success in the CFL

      • melonhead // June 14, 2017 at 2:30 pm //

        with all due respect, it’s next year country for a team in the middle of the preseason in the freakin’ nine team CFL. OK. Lol I gotta quit reading these comments.

        Was Derek Dennis mediocre when he was the league’s best lineman last year?

        • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 2:39 pm //

          Yeah true Derek Dennis is good. He was one of the highest coveted FAs this year.

        • Judge Jones // June 14, 2017 at 8:50 pm //

          Was Lemon a star when he went to Regina? He was turned into junk until he got traded to Toronto and re-adjusted.

  9. Scottsask // June 14, 2017 at 1:33 pm //

    The qb for this year is Kevin Glenn, unless he falters or gets hurt. End of story.

  10. mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 1:39 pm //

    Let’s remember 1 thing Its was Jones who approached Young not the other way around. That makes this failing even worse on Jones

    • melonhead // June 14, 2017 at 2:25 pm //

      Lol. You’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel searching for justification for your Jones hate with this one.

      It’s sure gonna look bad on Huff on Saturday when the Stumps release a bunch of guys HE APPROACHED! Oh wait no it won’t because no one other than you cares about that.

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 2:49 pm //

        Melon head melon head……you know as well as I do its not the same thing. Young is an old washed up player with off field issues. The only thing he has going for him is his name and college notoriety. He is not a serious prospect . Kids coming out of college with no name recognition are just regular prospects who teams work hard at to uncover. These kids are the future and necessary to find if this league is to continue and be relevant. It’s true many don’t work out.

        Going after Young shows a lack of competence in uncovering these young prospects and makes the league look lazy and gimmicky

        • melonhead // June 14, 2017 at 5:06 pm //

          Bringing Vince Young in for a tryout makes way more of an impact than some 24 year old from Division 3 ball, if we’re talking about keeping the league relevant. Who of those two is more likely to generate interest and news stories, here and in the USA? Probably the guy who has multiple articles on the main page of this site right now and has been all over ESPN and other American news outlets. Who of those guys is going to excite his teammates to meet and practice with? Probably the guy who broke all those records in the Rose Bowl. Whose signing is more likely to make future players think they’ll give the CFL a shot, Vince Young or some Division 3 scrub getting cut by the Bombers? Yeah.

          Isn’t it more of a joke and more lazy and gimmicky to have, say, Johnny Football and RG3 on a neg list? Or to bring in Michael Sam to practice twice and then walk out? Vince has been committed throughout to the CFL and that in itself shows much more than most big name ex-NFLers.

          It’s not like dude is 40, he’s a year and a half older than Mike Reilly and also hasn’t been taking the usual pro football beating the last few years. If it did work out he could stick around for awhile.

          There always was a low chance of it working out but that’s true of most (all?) rookies in this league. Plus it ain’t over yet. I would be fine with cutting him because of this injury but I have a feeling Jones will keep him around. Young has been nothing but professional so far here.

          If you want a young guy fresh out of college, there’s Marquise Williams or Jenson Stoshak or Derrick Moncrief or the others Jones has found and brought in this year. All of them are good prospects, none of them have helped the relevance of the league anywhere near the amount Vince Young has, without ever playing a down.

          • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 5:42 pm //

            Does Young create a bigger impact than a 24 years old division 3 prospect??Absolutely!!! and no doubt more media coverage and exposure for the league. But not all exposure is good. If Young was brought in straight out of college like the Rocket was than that would be good exposure. Young is now considered a joke in the football world and now too are the riders and the CFL. We are now the league that allows old,fat wash ups with questionable off field history into our league.

            Good point about Hamilton having RG3 and Manzeil on the neg list. If you look back to these articles comment section I was critical of this. Montreal and Sam? You could make that argument but some did suggest he could possibly be good in the CFL. That aside these actions don’t excuse Jones.

  11. Jones brought in V.Y so everyone would forget about the F-UP he did with D.D so it worked he has everyone talking about V.Y, the thing is our quarter backs seem to be about the same as last year, he never found anyone to replace D.D and if any of you think Glen can lead this team give your head a shake, at his age he is done as well. Chis Jones has been a failure to say the least at best i don’t see the riders winning more than 6 games if that. I am sorry i can’t remember the QB that took over for D.D when he was hurt, i think his name was Scott Jones should tuck in his tale and bring him back give him a try. He seemed to be doing ok , but Jones got rid of him like he got rid of others without thought and because they wouldn’t take a pay cut well Jones how much of a pay cut did you take to F-UP this team

    • Totally disagree with you. Jones got rid of DD because he now breaks easy and last year didn’t work out well for him. When he got rid of DD it allowed him to bring in more talent to other positions. This team was f-up as you say because Taman hit the panic button to save his job and loaded the team with large contracts. I agree he may have cleaned up too much last year, but that’s the past and I look forward to this season and the future. I need to ask, were you a DD fan?

  12. RANDALL HOOK // June 14, 2017 at 2:04 pm //

    For heavens sakes give the guy a chance a few weeks on the injury list is not going to tell anybody if you have to trade with Hamilton for either RG three or Johnny football and let’s see if they can do any better he was never given a fair chance or is just dues in the NFL hopefully he will get more reasonable treatment and at least given a chance in the CFL

  13. Why does everyone in Riderville see QB’s on other teams as the solution. Oh well if nobody works out we can just trade for RG3 or Manziel or Franklin. Teams don’t have to trade with us or can demand the moon desperate as we are. Jones is here because he can supposedly find talent instead of scrounging around on other team’s finds. I’m mildly surprised he hasn’t brought in Corey Jones yet who was just let go by BC.

    • melonhead // June 14, 2017 at 2:27 pm //

      I think it’s just an extension of the whole ‘backup QB is the most popular player on the Riders’ thing

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 2:36 pm //

      Jones and Murphy have down a deplorable job. Even if they win this year their ability to find new unknown talent is non existent. Will there be a single rookie on this team who wasn’t a ranked draft choice??

  14. Antlerman // June 14, 2017 at 2:40 pm //

    Riders dont need a quarterback we have Brandon Bridge waiting in the wings kids gonna be a stud just got to be patient and it tough when your playing in a fish bowl

    • Judge Jones // June 14, 2017 at 9:02 pm //

      You guys are going to find out sooner than later Glenn is not DD and you will moan over that fact. Bridge was in Montreal and let go. He was good in preseason but how many times have we heard:”This guy is a stud”? only to find out he got cut?

  15. Antlerman // June 14, 2017 at 2:42 pm //

    Stampy you worry about your team we will worry about ours and we see how things work out

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm //

      I worry about the Stamps but I worry about the league too. It’s a shame Jones doesn’t

  16. ,,Patience // June 14, 2017 at 3:00 pm //

    Did I not read somewhere that there have been seventeen or eighteen QBs on the Rider roster since Jones arrived? And still they are hanging all their hopes on 38 year old Kevin Glen. And hoping that Glen and Bridges can carry them through this year until they will most assuredly get Franklin. Is this the big plan? Find out when the contract is up on the players that Jones really covets and get them in free agency? What if Franklin were to sign a one year extension with Edmonton? They then go to a four year plan? What happened to Jones legendary ability to find great new talent? Or Murphy, for that matter, who some insist brought in every good player that Calgary has. There is no guarantee that the Riders ever get Franklin; that is totally up to Edmonton and Franklin. Or perhaps they can get Franklin when he is 38 years old. You didn’t want Durant, now find a good young talent, perhaps Williams is that guy and put the work and dedication into developing him and quit pining over who you wish you had. We all would like another Grey Cup but wishing won’t make it so. Grab the bull by the horns instead of by the tail.

  17. Scottsask // June 14, 2017 at 3:01 pm //

    Newsflash, Jonesy doesn’t care what anybody thinks, and I’m ok with that. Just win baby.

  18. Antlerman // June 14, 2017 at 3:08 pm //

    I am with you Scott just win baby

  19. Antlerman // June 14, 2017 at 3:14 pm //

    Anybody that thinks the Riders are not going to be better this year are in for a suprise

  20. mrnehnehincognito how much does 3Down pay you to generate clicks with your stupid comments?

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 4:56 pm //

      Don’t be ridiculous John. I just love the CFL and when I see someone like Jones ruining it and a group of discliples blinded by his allure I must say something

      • BleedzGreen // June 14, 2017 at 5:10 pm //

        Typical troll response.

      • so you think youre the social conscious of the CFL mrneh? its your job to decide these things? lol

        • mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 10:37 am //

          You guys slots take everything I say to heart. I give my opinion is all. You must all feel truth in what I say to care so much

      • you are soooo delusional about Jones. I really don’t get it. Your anger and jealousy is screaming something that I believe Freud would really enjoy analyzing. Honestly though it makes sense. You paint this man to be the Antichrist and you sound like an f*in moron to everyone not except 1 or 2 of the other Stump fans that aren’t smart enough to think of any of their own insults.

  21. mrnehnehincognito you my friend are an idiot. Like most people said. Worry about your own team. Because you guys are always a shoe in for a great season…. riiiiight.. It’s 9 team league, anything can happen. Including the fall of your stumps.
    Funny you dodged around the response regarding michael feterik and his amazing job/reputation he put out for your stumps. Let me guess that’s in the past right?
    Also, saying Jones has a bad reputation for bringing in VY and having a failed experiment. I guarantee there are going to be more rider fans in texas than ever before. Wow weird.. that almost Sounds like Jones is spreading the Cfl to the states more. Just by signing a guy. Honestly everything that comes from your mouth is verbal diarrhea. It deserves to into the toilet and be flushed.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 5:18 pm //

      The only rider fans in Texas will be ex players or sask natives living in Texas….why would anyone else suddenly be a rider fan??

      I acknowledge the Feterik Era. It was a dark time but a blip. They were good prior and good after. Riders whole existence has been a Feterik Era.

    • Judge Jones // June 14, 2017 at 9:20 pm //

      I sure hope I am never your enemy!!! Jones gambled on Young hoping to score an inside straight.

  22. BleedzGreen // June 14, 2017 at 5:09 pm //

    Typical troll response.

  23. Lmao! What a great response. I’m pretty sure anyone that knows who Vince Young is and is cheering for him, Know who the Riders are now. You never know, it might have created some new fans eh? Can you tell me how well you guys do in merch sales? Plus have the stumps ever been labaled “Canada’s team” probably not. I dunno, i’ve been to mexico a few times in my life and I’ve noticed Rider gear everywhere, along with the bigger Soccer and NFL franchises. Funny no Stamp gear. Weird.
    You want to start talking about Era’s… Correct me if i’m wrong… doesnt the Riders hold the most trips to the Grey Cup? Sure they not might win them all, but I just want to point out. No matter how good of regular season you have, it doesn’t mean squat in the Playoffs. Just some food for thought, for your little, isolated brain.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 6:15 pm //

      Again I’ll ask the question wow will this create rider fans in Texas?? Yes Young might be a God there and his followers are watching this come back and will follow him however long it might last but I doubt many will suddenly become lifelong rider supporters any more than the state Texas all turned to the Tennessee Titans when he was drafted

  24. I’ll be here all week mrnehnehincognito. Let me know if you want play. 😉

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 6:11 pm //

      Most grey cup appearances maybe but most of those are 60s and 70s and to say you haven’t “won them all” is an understatement

      • You got me on that!! Actually.. no you didn’t. There might have been many years during that time. But I do also think there was a few apperances/wins during 2007-2013 years. We might have beat the stamps a few times to get there.
        Talk about choke city. And we aren’t talking about last year. 😉

        • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 6:30 pm //

          Yep you’ve had our number in the playoffs I can’t deny it. But look at the over all landscape over the last 25 years for the true comparison

          • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 6:50 pm //

            In case your wondering I’ll give you the highlights.
            Cup wins-5
            Cup appearnces-9
            1st in west-12
            2nd in west-8
            Home playoff games 23
            Years in playoffs 22
            And these stats are dragged down because of the Feterik years..yeah…could have been even better!!!!

            Cup wins-2
            Cup appearances-5
            1st place in west-1
            2nd place in west-3
            Home playoff games playoff appearances who knows..only 4 times were they Better than 3rd


          • and yet the Riders make more money than any other team. Brand new state of the art stadium. Best fans in the WORLD. Earned the moniker Canadas Team. Youre right for once. NO comparison

  25. I think I’d skip boasting about our merchandise sales – our net profit was $33,993 last year after a $4MM loss in 2015. We have a spending problem. No the Riders haven’t been to the GC more than anyone although they have lost 15 times. So maybe we shouldn’t throw stones at the Stamps as chokers either – 4 wins in 19 tries is not exactly “winning”.

    • BleedzGreen // June 14, 2017 at 7:08 pm //

      ANYTHING on the positive side following a $4M loss is respectable in my view.

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:14 pm //

        $33,000.00 profit on 37 million in revenue would get any CEO fired in about 10 minutes. He’d be 1 year into his job having replaced the guy the lost 4 million the year prior

        • BleedzGreen // June 14, 2017 at 7:42 pm //

          Shoo troll.

        • the thing is we have great owners who treat this like a sport and aren’t worried about turning the biggest profit. Tons of revenue and like good ownership they pour it back.

    • do some research. The numbers are such because of payments for our state of the art, envy of the league stadium

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:21 pm //

        So you are losing money to start paying for a stadium that will still take 31years to pay for?? Does that sound smart? Don’t rider fans actually own shares in the team?

  26. mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:05 pm //

    I would remind Mr Bacon that his new stadium isn’t exactly paid for and I will be an old man by the time it is

  27. mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:11 pm //

    I though the Blue Jays and Raptors owned the Canada’s team moniker. Hard to imagine a cfl team with 8 others would be arrogant enough to think this. Where exactly is this offical? Someone point me in that direction please

    • you adnitted to it yourself only a week ago lol

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:16 pm //

        Did i?

        • yes you did. i mentioned the canadas team moniker and you had some ridiculous reason why we owned it. I dont remember what your logic was because frankly i dont tend to engage the trolls often. im a little bored today though so im humouring you. Whats sad is that you tend to come up with some good insight once in a while from what im told but your obsession with the Riders supersedes anything relevant you may say

          • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:23 pm //

            I don’t think I did.if I did however it was with a sarcastic undertone in sure

    • what this is is stadium envy. It isnt our fault that your city was denied a new stadium/rink complex. Things will rebound in Alberta some day and maybe you will join the 21st century.

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:18 pm //

        A new stadium would be nice. The problem with yours is there is a huge back order on something that won’t be in for years

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:25 pm //

        If you think the economic outlook in sask is any rosyer than Alberta you are sadly mistaking. We are in the same boat there my friend

        • never said it was. We were smart enough to build when things were good. both provinces are projected to be in the black again this year. We will revel in the new stadium while your government argues about whether they can build a new one or not

          • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:49 pm //

            Actually Mr Bacon. It is the experience of many cities the best time to build is during economic hardship

          • depends on how much debt you are willing to take on. infrastructure has always been a popular way for governments to try and pull economies out of recessions. generally it is invested in roads and bridges and the like not in sports facilities. maybe im wrong and Notley will listen to you and cough up a half billion for your complex

    • They make that claim because there are no others in their sport. Which makes it extra special to be Canada’s team when there are several more to pick from. We don’t make this stuff up, we are just living the dream and it’s a fun ride.

  28. You can talk about the new stadium all you want. Atleast ours won’t crumble before you grow up. Unlike that “historic” McMahon stadium of yours.

    EW I’M pretty sure a quarter of the reason if not more would be due to the taman/chamblin contracts. Making any money after a losing season like we had should be a God send. Atleast our stadium was still rocking (not as populated as it normally would be) but not bad for a losing season. Can’t say the same for the rest of the team’s that have problems putting fans in their seats when they are winning.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:53 pm //

      I’ve never heard of a fan base that puts their stadium as a priority over winning that is very interesting. I guess that makes the Arizona Cardinals a better and more successful franchise than the Green Bay Packers?

  29. $12 service charge on tickets to pay back the loan. Didnt seem to stop anyone from buying tickets. Preseason game was a sellout and there is still a huge waiting list to get season tickets. Other teams in the league only dream of having this issue

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:36 pm //

      Mr Bacon. Fine didn’t stop anyone this year. Now you only have 30 more years to worry about. Tell me this all mocking aside. How can this be a sustainable way to pay for a stadium.You can’t predict user ship for a stadium 30 years out. What happens if 15 years from now the mellenials choose to watch sports differently ( if at all) and no longer want to see it in person? Who knows how technology, economics,societies values will change this. If that user ship isn’t as high as projected today who’s on the hook to pay the remaining bill??

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 7:39 pm //

        Also correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the provincial sales tax going up? Sure this new “Taj Mahal” figured into that

        • all of that is speculation to say the least. people much smarter than you and I are paid well to figure these things out. As for the money the government gave for it, it was tabled years ago so any tax hike linked to it would have come then

  30. Greenland // June 14, 2017 at 7:43 pm //

    What were we talking about?

  31. It is what it is mmBacon. What do you suggest? When looking at net profit, ignore the stadium costs? How about the extra costs for printing tickets in a new bigger stadium, extra staffing costs for a bigger venue. It’s part of the bottom line. Should I say, yes I lost money, but that’s ONLY because I’ve included my rental expenses? Should you factor out stadium costs for the next 30 years for the envy of the league state of the art facility? What is this – Ridernomics?

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 9:20 pm //

      Lol Ridermonics..good one

    • im not really sure what exactly youre getting at here. are you talking about the 4mill loss from 2 seasons ago? that is because of a one time payment on construction of the building. its NOT a recurring payment. and are you implying that that the printing of an extra 3000 or so tickets would be a negative cost? dont forget that the printing of those 3000 tickets, when sold, brings in at least 150,000 in revenue so i think thats a plus, not a minus

  32. Judge Jones // June 14, 2017 at 9:36 pm //

    Riderphobia = The fear of becoming a Rider fan and all the complexes that come with that.

  33. Riderenvy=
    jealousy that provokes people to troll social media sites and make ignorant claims about things in which they know nothing of because they are bitter that they arent part of Canadas Team.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 10:13 pm //

      God yes!! I wish the Stamps had been 5-13 last year. God I wish we could be the riders and have no QB and a GM that makes us look dumb…man oh man being a stamps fan is so hard. Hosting all those west finals over a quater century, having the greatest players like Doug Flutie and Jon Cornish..alway having a good QB ( and home grown to boot)…

  34. you wish that when the Riders play in Calgary that there werent almost as many Rider fans there as there are stumps fans. You wish that despite having that 5-13 record,which the stumps have had comparable seasons, your fans would still sell out your decrepit stadium. You wish that there was even such a thing as stampeder pride, but there is none. your flimsy fan base will never know such passion

    • Judge Jones // June 15, 2017 at 12:06 am //

      Let’s just see how things play out if or when your team ends up with another 5-13 year. The euphoria of having a new stadium could wear thin if Jones is Jones again. Go 0-3 and the faithful will be going to the stadium with pitch forks. And that’s a privilege that comes with being Canada’s team.

  35. mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 10:42 pm //

    First off these rider myths are comical. I’ll destroy one right now. Using simple math. Calgary averages over 27000 per game last year attendance .For the one rider game attendance was less than 32000. How does that equate to as many rider fans as stamps??? I’m there and I assure you there are way more stamps fans and we are way louder despite claims to the contrary. Most rider fans or in the end zone sections that show better on tv.

    Secondly what do I care if we sell out. The less people the more room for me. Whatever the case is it seems to be working for the Stamps so who cares. You can have all the fans in your stadium you want. You are losing far more than you win.

    I go to every game and watch my team win really what else matters?? What else is really important as a fan?

  36. first off, it isnt a myth that every teams best attended home game through out the year is the game that the riders are playing there.
    Secondly, i would expect a response like that from you. that you wouldnt care if your team sells out. Its all about YOU because you have no pride. That says everything that anyone needs to know about your lack of character.
    I support my team win or lose. Ask yourself this question. When the stumps go into a downturn, and dont even try to kid yourself, they will, will you still be seeing 27,000 per game? you know the answer to that

  37. mrnehnehincognito // June 14, 2017 at 11:18 pm //

    I’ve been a season ticket holder for 25 years am as loyal as any rider fan.

    Lol now you are backing tracking..having highest attendance figures when riders play isn’t the same thing as having more rider fans than stamps fan at that game.
    It’s no surprise attendances across the league are highest when sask comes to town. Everyone born there moves everywhere but!!!

  38. never said there were more. read before you speak

  39. What I am saying is that expenses are expenses fixed or otherwise. Whether you have a one time charge or a fixed charge going forward, in the end you have net income, which is what you put in your pocket. There’s no point saying yeah but for this it would be this much higher. So what? When the Riders hosted the 2013 Grey Cup they posted a $10.4MM profit, $9.3MM from the Grey Cup. We didn’t say yes BUT it was really $1.1MM because this was a one time deal. You made what you made. The fact is, in non-GC years despite having the highest revenues in the CFL, we have by far the highest expenses. If part of it is paying out salaries of fired GM’s & coaches that’s a cost you pay for signing a contract, no different if you pay out bonuses for earlier completion of construction or collect penalties for finishing late. The Riders put $33,000 in their pocket – that’s it. And they lost $4MM last year. An expense is an expense.

  40. brian johnson // June 15, 2017 at 9:22 am //

    To say there is no cost is not correct.
    Do your real think Vince has worked out for the past 3 months for nothing. He’s getting all his daily expenses.
    large weekly personal spending allowance, flights, accommodation, vehicle, insurance,Plus guaranteed amount from Riders. Maybe only $60,000 so far but not free for sure!!!!!!!!!!!! BAD MOVE SO FAR

  41. Riders13 // June 15, 2017 at 10:22 am //

    Wow, not only is stumpy and ew so smart they could be the commissioner or run a team better than any of the existing GMs or coaches but now they’re wannabe CPAs also. Always have to be negative and criticize the Riders or anything they do despite the fact that they’re the strongest financially stable team in the league and provide the absolute best fan experience as well. Rest assured, if the Riders weren’t a public team, their valuation would be the highest in the league. If you went to the preseason game last weekend you had a fantastic time and it was very easy to see that the Riders will be a much-improved team on the field and surprise a lot of people. Jones has a very tough chore this Saturday on cut down day because we’re deep at every position and a lot of very good players will be cut. You heard it here, many of the Rider cuts will end up on other teams, including the stamps.
    1. Lions
    2. Riders
    3. Stamps
    4/5 Eskimos
    4/5 Bombers
    Too bad we can’t put our money where our mouths are because I’d love to take your money. I guess I’ll just have to win some more on DK.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 11:15 am //

      I can’t see Calgary taking any.qe have a pretty strong lineup incase you haven’t noticed

      • Riders13 // June 15, 2017 at 12:06 pm //

        Yeah ok so they won’t try to get better? If you’re not moving forward, you’re moving backwards. The stamps will pick up a Rider cut.

  42. mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 11:08 am //

    Nov 26 2017.The Calgary stampeders have just defeated the Winnipeg blue bombers 38-8 in the greycup…New commissioner Micheal Pinball Clemons comes to the podium. To present the cup to Huff. Instead he makes a surprises annoucement.

    “The league has decided to declare the Saskatchewan Roughriders Grey Cup Champs. They have sold the most jerseys, have the highest attendance and offer their fans the best GameDay experience ”

    Rider fans. This is what you all seem to think should happen. Really we are all fans here. The best fan experience a team can give is winning. Do you really all think Jersey sales trump this?
    If you combine the riders wins for the last 3 seasons you have 1/2 a game more than Calgary had last season alone! What more needs said? On a game to game basis stamps fans walk away from McMahon stadium happy far more than not

  43. Riders13 // June 15, 2017 at 11:20 am //

    Don’t put words in my mouth…I never implied anything of the kind. Walking away from Taylor Field after watching us win the cup from season ticket seats, surrounded by friends and family, was the best fan experience ever. It was even worth the dismal 3 years that we’ve endured since. However, the Riders will be better than last year and the stamps will regress. With the stamps history of choking, can’t see them getting to the west finals, especially since they’ll lose to the hometown Riders in the semis.

    Oh yeah, and to keep on topic. The Riders won’t cut VY until he’s given a a chance to show what he can do on the field. That’s called Jones and the Riders showing him loyalty and respect…something you apparently don’t know anything about.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 11:49 am //

      Well you basically do imply that when you discard all the great teams in this league and brag about the riders for these reasons. No one cares. Winning is all that matters from a fans perspective. Bragging about Jersey sales is silly

      • Riders13 // June 15, 2017 at 11:58 am //

        Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I never jersey sales once…in fact I mentioned the >$1M merchandise decrease a cause for concern even if the Riders sell more than all other 8 teams combined. You, on the other hand, have brought jersey sales up at least twice in the last few posts. I think you’re green with envy.

  44. mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 11:46 am //

    Loyalty and respect? That should be the motto for the Stamps. Look how long the core of this team stays intact. Dave Dickensen would be head coach of the riders today if not for his loyalty to the Stamps..don’t talk about loyalty with the revolving door the riders have had for several years now.

    If you combined the riders wins the last 2 season they would still have finished dead last in the West based on everyone else’s last season alone. In fact they’d be 4 points back of 4th place Edmonton!!

    With final cuts coming Saturday ,by early next week you will see most of the media outlets coming out with 2017 predictions. I’m sure you will see a trend emerge. Many will pick stamps for first and to win the cup. I doubt many will pick the riders for either

  45. Riders13 // June 15, 2017 at 12:04 pm //

    There’s no doubt that Taman and Chamblain mortgaged 2014-2016 in order to win the Grey Cup at home in 2013…something the stamps have never done.

    And right now, all teams have an identical record and I’m sure that the prognostications of some media types will pick the stamps to be in 1st and the Riders last but we’ll see when the dust settles. I listed my predictions…where are yours. Actually, never mind because I actually don’t care.

  46. Rider13 it doesn’t take much to go from being rich to the poorhouse. Enron was the biggest company in the world in their field. GM was once the same. They mismanaged their money. If you don’t watch your cash flow you can go under. I am not saying this will happen to the Riders but when you bring in close to reportedly $50MM a year & your expenses are close to that things can go sideways quickly if variable revenue streams such as merchandise go down. Tell me why the Riders need 16 position coaches, same # as New England, including 3 QC coaches. Are you going to compare them to the Patriots? I’m not the 1st to comment on their large expenses compared to other teams. Is it a problem? We’ve been the poor sisters in the CFL asking for handouts before. let’s try to remember that.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 2:40 pm //

      Really what does all this spending do for them? It’s not like they are dominating or supplying the league with great players

  47. Riders13 // June 15, 2017 at 12:49 pm //

    Once again you’re trying to be a wannabe CPA where you mention cash flow and and expenses yet have no idea about the behavior of either. We have no way of knowing until the Riders review the details at their annual general meeting, but due to stadium related capex, many of the expenses would be non-cash in nature (ie amortization). What you didn’t note from the report was that expenses from football operations was down over a $1M!! A better metric of financial performance would be EBITDA, not net income. Lastly, as mentioned above, if a valuation were completed on all CFL teams, it is very likely that the Riders would be the most valuable franchise. Hardly a team looking for a handout although I suppose it could happen and if that happens that means that other teams and the CFL are in far more dire straits.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 2:35 pm //

      This is pretty simple economics rider13. EW is right seems like the riders are developing a spending problem and it could catch up.
      Unfortunately this type of thing is common in Alberta and has been like this throughout my life time.We spend when times are good but when things turn we find ourselves in trouble.

  48. I’m not out to debate in depth the financial state of the Riders. Yes EBITDA is a more accurate indicator but there are different ways of stating things on a financial statement, depreciation being one of them, which can drastically impact revenue. My point is very simple. A fair portion of Rider fans have the habit of beating everyone over the head with how rich we are. Those things can change in a hurry if we’re spending our brains out. I’ll leave it at that.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 2:48 pm //

      I’m not sure why the financial state of the riders is even a bragging point for fans. If your not winning there’s no personal benefit to you. The only ones benefiting know are Jones and the BOD getting bonus money

  49. just let neh think he knows everything or this will never end. His ego wont allow him to not have the last word.

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 3:18 pm //

      I’ve admitted on wrong before. You just aren’t making any valid arguments

  50. lol. thanks for proving my point. you are worse than that idiot lions fan christopher jones. at least he knows when hes wrong and he shuts up. you have nothing better to do then to peruse rider stories,flapping your nonsense in the hopes of making yourself relevant. I will let you in on a little secret. You dont look relevant, you look like a troll. now get the last word again troll

  51. that i shall

  52. Shawn Pritchard // June 15, 2017 at 5:11 pm //

    Vince Young signing gave the league some publicity. Whether it was good or bad…it was publicity. I give Young props for wanting to give it a shot..and respect Jones for the opportunity. Now im here to tell u theirs no way Vince Young spends 2 months on crutches hanging around the team in Regina. He’ll b on a flight back to Texas sooner than later. End of story. Too bad…coulda been fun

    • I don’t know because I’m surprised that he has hung around for a week since it happened. The Riders haven’t released him to add another body and he hasn’t taken off home and I can only assume there is a reason. Personally I didn’t think he would make the team, but not so sure now. I hope I don’t stir anything up from the haters on this, but I find the whole thing interesting.

      • mrnehnehincognito // June 16, 2017 at 12:00 am //

        Jones is keeping him plain and simple. Chris was keeping him from day 1. Unless he gets,arrested or something

    • mrnehnehincognito // June 15, 2017 at 11:55 pm //

      Yeah publicity… know who else has been getting publicity lately? Bill Cosby

  53. Shawn Pritchard // June 15, 2017 at 5:13 pm //

    Next up …Manziel in Hamilton.

  54. ,,Patience // June 16, 2017 at 3:57 pm //

    Anyone mentioning Jones in the same sentence as loyalty and respect hasn’t been paying attention.

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