Camp preview: Suspended by the NFL, Alexander gets another chance with Lions

It is an efficient way of processing an assessment in a microwave society.

Fact: Frank Alexander is a three-time offender of the NFL’s substance policy.

Conclusion: There is no need to pay attention to someone with such an inglorious past and it is heresy for an upstanding organization like the B.C. Lions to give him the time of day.

There, judgment served. B.C. would be better off trying to improve its pass rush some other way.

So maybe there’s been a miscalculation, or a 27-year-old who has run out of chances thanks to three strikes with the Carolina Panthers has simply tricked the Lions into giving him a last chance.

Once in awhile, however, there is value to the spoken word, and the Lions are hoping what Alexander has said and done since stumbling is reason to believe in his reincarnation, for reasons beyond what he might do for their chances of success in the CFL season ahead.

It starts in almost-improbable fashion at the Lions’ rookie camp Thursday in Kamloops, where a player who already has qualified for his NFL pension will line up with fellow newcomers.

The Lions’ defence has been changed so dramatically during the winter there are opportunities galore, and for that reason alone it might be suggested they have no choice but to reach out to someone with a few extra lines on his resume.

They are not, however, giving another chance to some who is simply trouble.

“I’m not a drug addict,” he says, looking directly at his questioner. “I hope people don’t judge me off what the media is portraying. I’m a father to two beautiful daughters. I’m a son to my mother and father. We’re trying to figure out how to pay my debts and then pay for my sister to go to college and to keep up the house. When people say (negative things) it motivates me to prove them wrong.”

Of course, Alexander put himself in a position to be viewed differently when he ran afoul of  NFL policy through his use of marijuana. A lot of it, he said, was brought on over concern at the time about a mother who had to overcome breast cancer and a diabetic father who had to deal with a heart attack.

He was suspended initially for four games, sat out 10 more, then the entire 2016 season for violating the policy, a year made even more forgettable because he ripped up his Achilles. He does not, however, want your pity but merely understanding.

“I had a lot on my plate and I dealt with it the best I could,” he said.

A suggestion by his dad to join a church in Charlotte helped. So did buying a bike so he could add something to his relaxation ritual and clear his head. When he showed up at Lions’ mini-camp in April, marking the first time in nearly two years he had been at work on the field, he said he felt more liberated than at any time in the past.

It has been a struggle for a former fourth-round pick of the Panthers, having escaped a difficult development growing up outside of Baton Rouge, La., and it may not be over either. Alexander will have to gain the respect of coach/GM Wally Buono, who has been asked to assess both character and ability before.

In 2008, Buono was asked to determine if North Vancouver receiver Josh Boden was worthy of a second chance when charged with robbery and domestic assault. Boden didn’t re-sign with the Lions but did with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats, which preceded a string of offences ranging from sexual assault to assaulting a police officer.

Khalif Mitchell also got a second chance from the Lions. It didn’t go well either, which is why it is impossible to note the irony associated with the fact Alexander wore Mitchell’s number at mini-camp and was assigned the same locker stall in Surrey.

Comparisons are easy. Alexander came to Canada for mini-camp around the same time the federal government began outlining its proposed policies for the legalization of marijuana, having left a country where medicinal use of the drug has been approved in several states.

But Buono seems willing to overlook what could represent trouble for the greater good of his defensive line, perhaps because no position group on his team has more room for improvement.

B.C. tied for the lead with 52 sacks last season but the Lions want more and seek remedies having let Canadian Jabar Westerman walk in free agency after watching Alex Bazzie leave for the NFL the same way.

Buono doesn’t want to rely on veterans Bryant Turner and Mich’ael Brooks solely for interior push. Also contesting spots once camp opens for real Sunday is free agent DeQuin Evans (ex-Montreal), along with practice roster holdover Andrew Hudson. Josh Shirley (UNLV), Luther Maddy (Virginia Tech), Kenneth Boatright (Illinois State) and Marquis Jackson (Portland State) are other newcomers.

It’s Alexander who provides the most intrigue on a team where change is going to be a theme, however. He lined up his 275-pound frame in the defensive interior at mini-camp but played off the edge in the NFL, so could work well in rotation with the Lions.

All he needs is a little time. His second/third/fourth chance is here.

“It’s like riding a horse. It doesn’t go away that easily. Football is natural for him,” Buono said of Alexander. “Yes, he’s going to get used to conditioning but you can tell he was an is a very good player. The thing I’m really impressed with is his attitude. He sees this is a good opportunity.”

And his past?

“If it say he got suspended for… whatever… we don’t even test for that here. As a country were going to legalize it soon,” said Buono. “Everything we’ve gotten is he’s a good guy.”

It appears the Lions aren’t about to judge this book by its cover.

 

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55 Comments on Camp preview: Suspended by the NFL, Alexander gets another chance with Lions

  1. mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 10:03 am //

    yeah its a gray area whether this should even be a crime.
    waiting for the group on fans to jump all over the lions for this who will compare this to crimes like DV

    • Ladd Law // May 25, 2017 at 5:50 pm //

      Waiting for what? For someone to ask why you’re not going on and on about this as compared to other stories. Simple, it doesn’t involve the Riders so hate is on hold. Predictable to say the least.

  2. Judge Jones // May 25, 2017 at 10:19 am //

    Can’t see this thing getting much traction in light of Canada’s proposed amendments. However, that shouldn’t stop our neighbours from posting here in indignation.

  3. Jonnythec // May 25, 2017 at 10:19 am //

    It’s weed, who cares. Half the NBA smokes weed. 3/4 of People in B.C smoke weed. It’s not performance enhancing and can be used for pain and inflammation. I bet he will do fine in the CFL. Go riders!

    • mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 10:32 am //

      3/4 people of BC use weed? That’s an egregious claim. As is it 1/2 the NBA does.

    • SaskWatch // May 25, 2017 at 6:41 pm //

      Pay him no mind Jonnythec… The rest of us understood your point. Go Green!

  4. Hope he does well, more power to him.

  5. Instead of 4 vanilla comments. There would have been 80 negative comments blaming Jones & the Riders if the Riders had signed Alexander. The fact is that Alexander failed the NFL drug policy rules 3 times. In other words by NFL standards he is an offender of NFL policy who is being reprimanded the same as anyone else who breaks the rules.

    I want to point out that this is not about Alexander who I wish him well and success in the CFL. He seems very genuine in his zeal to reform & have a fresh start in the CFL. Rather, this about the difference in the tone of the posts treating this differently than if it was the Riders who signed him. The excuses meted out here are a joke and a feeble attempt to justify Alexander’s non-compliance of US Law & NFL rules. Jones was slammed by posters the first time he brought in someone who had previous football offences. Not happening to other coaches who do likewise. The hypocrisy in (social) media becomes glaringly evident when these situations that are similar in nature arise.

    • Judge Jones // May 25, 2017 at 11:35 am //

      I wonder if the tone of the comments might reflect the difference in the severity of the offence. One is for smoking a joint which will no longer be an offence next year as opposed to driving with a BAC three times the legal limit.

    • mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 11:48 am //

      You are comparing pot smokers to people who physically harm other human beings.?
      How the CFL chooses to deal with offenders should be independent of NFL policies

    • mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 11:51 am //

      The fact is Allan Jones may receive more scrutiny if he had signed this man. He has a history of making controversial if not out illegal moves. His reputation proceeds him. Jones sneezes wrong people will take note.

    • Anti Stamps // May 25, 2017 at 12:00 pm //

      fully agree allan…….and Stampland leads the charge of rider abuse for similar things. It doesn’t matter that we evaluate the depth of the charge but that he broke the nfl rules continually. If this was Jones, stampland would be all over this and not cutting him any slack but he choses to do so in this case with wally….huummm, very rude.

    • RiderPrider // May 25, 2017 at 12:50 pm //

      I was thinking the exact same thing. If the Riders had signed him, everybody would be ripping on him for bringing in a guy with his disciplinary history. Due to the fact its someone else, the tone of the article, and the responses are much more neutral, fact based, and forgiving than anything written about the Riders.

      Yes, the Riders absolutely are held to a higher standard than anyone else in the CFL.

      #DoubleStandards

      • mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 2:03 pm //

        Its not a higher standard .It is in fact a higher level of suspicion due to past history.Actually the standard is lower for you

        • RiderPrider // May 26, 2017 at 11:31 am //

          Sorry to disapoint you Stampland but it is a higher standard. When the Riders are getting fined for practicing guys who are on the 6 game injured list – something that every team in the CFL does – it means they are being held to a higher standard than everyone else.

          Yes, they were also practicing players who were unsigned, which is also against the rules. But if you read the detailed violations part of it is this offense that every team commits and has been swept under the rug for years. Who is the only team to get fined for it? The Riders.

  6. Isn’t there a rule still in place that suspended NFL players can’t play in the CFL? It sounds like (according to this article) he completed his year long suspension in 2016, but if he hasn’t been reinstated by the NFL and they still consider him suspended, he shouldn’t be allowed up here.

    • mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 2:06 pm //

      why should we be a sycophant to the NFL? If laws in Canada are different (as they soon may be regarding pot) then we should welcome him

    • I think that rul is specifically for domestic abuse

    • Chris Jones // May 26, 2017 at 4:02 pm //

      His suspension is up, so he could have signed in the NFL if they wanted him.

  7. mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 2:08 pm //

    of course if I play devils advocate I could say he has questionable levels of commitment if we continually does things that we knows will get him suspended regardless of personal feelings on the offense

  8. Judge Jones // May 25, 2017 at 3:00 pm //

    You guys might not like always being in the spotlight but Jones just loves it. It portrays him as being Bill Belichick North.

  9. Coach Doug // May 25, 2017 at 4:12 pm //

    Just a major correction in the content of the article. It states “a country where medicinal use of the drug has been approved in several states.”.

    In fact 29 States and the District of Columbia have approved medicinal use. Several States, 8 in fact have approved recreational use.

  10. Riders fans need to relax. I as a Hamilton fan would not care if Jones signed someone who has broken a MARIJUANA POLICY. It’s about to be legalized across the country. It’s stupid to kick athletes out of the NFL for smoking weed, go ahead keep doing it, we’ll take your talent. Hopefully we see Josh Gordon over here in the next year or two.

  11. mrhorsemanure blasts Vince Young for DUI and this guys has been repeatedly caught 3 times that we know of for pot.

    So being high and getting behind the wheel would be ok but drinking alcohol and doing the same thing is not. What is the difference?

    • mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm //

      You guys are ridiculous!!!!
      You guys are so desperate “To prove your case” against the things I say you write without thinking
      Where does it say he was driving stoned? Was he ever accused of this?
      Vince Young can drink all he wants if he doesn’t drive. If he wants to be a lush than that’s his business and if Chris Jones wants to sign him knowing this that’s fine.That’s a personal choice. Once you get behind the wheel it becomes an entirely different matter

  12. And you know he never got behind the wheel when high? Give your head a shake moron.

    • mrnehnehincognito // May 25, 2017 at 7:35 pm //

      So smoking pot and driving stone aren’t mutually exclusive in your eyes? If you’re guilty of smoking pot you are automatically guilty of driving stoned?
      Does this hold true of drinking too? Should the police be able to come into a bar give breathalyzers and if you blow over you automatically get a DUI??
      I’ll tell you I wouldn’t want to live in a country where you write the constitution

  13. The fact remains that there is a double standard in place when it comes to dealing with the Riders and Jones. The detrimental comments and vilification of Jones didn’t start with the signing of any questionable players. It started back when Jones and his coaching staff signed with the Riders. There was no, or at best minimal, negative comments when Maas and Sutherland who were under contract with Ottawa were signed with Edmonton. Why is that? It is accepted practice within the CFL for football operations staff to advance their careers by the procedures just spoken of. And yet, it has been only the Riders and Jones who were excessively berated in the media for following what has been historically accepted practice within the CFL. mrnehnehincognito – it was from this point onward that Jones came under closer scrutiny.

    It is evident there is a double standard in place when it comes to the Riders and the rest of the CFL. Is it jealousy by the rest of the league and fans of the Rider’s marketing success and/or having the second-best fan base (per capita) in all of American style professional football and/or the best open air stadium in all of North American professional football? The fact remains that the Riders contribute signifigantly more to the other CFL teams bottom line financially than any other team in the league.

    In response to comment(s) that Jones is purposely controversial because he loves being in the media spotlight. One of Chris’s biggest negatives that is bandied about by the Rider media and Rider fans is his lack of media availability. Chris has an undisputed reputation by his peers as being one of the hardest working coaches in professional football. His lack of availabilty can be distilled down to the fact that he would rather be working to build a championship team than giving media interviews, etc.

    Judge Jones – that Chris Jones is Belichick North – Belichick didn’t have much success during his first stint as head coach of the Cleveland Browns (1991-1995). He had one winning season and was fired in 1995. In 2000 he became head coach of the New England Patriots. The Patriots went 5-11 in the 2000 regular season and missed the playoffs. That has been the only losing season the Patriots have had since. Belichick is one of only two coaches in the NFL to also hold the title of GM. … It should be noted that Belichick created his own share of self-imposed controversy when he re-signed from the New York Jets while under contract and then taking the head coaching position with the Patriots. Then we can’t forget the infamous Spygate & Deflategate, can we? Tom Brady has been a significant factor in Belichick’s and the Patriots success. However, during Brady’s four-game suspension (3-1) and during the 2008 season (11-5) when Brady was out because of injury. The Patriots still won without Brady. Belichick has had his fair share of controversy and condemnation in the past. Today he’s considered the best coach with the best team in the NFL.

    Championship teams aren’t built from scratch overnight. Anyone, that is a knowledge football fan should know this. You don’t start seeing results in a rebuild usually until the second or third year. Jones was 5-11 in its first year as head coach. Instead of all the negative posters taking this into consideration they’d rather post inane and detrimental comments without basis. Frankly, there has been over-the-top stupidity directed towards Jones, the Riders and their fans. I suppose that’s the price you have to pay if you’re the most successful franchise in the CFL. All, I can say is. Get, over it!

    • RiderPrider // May 26, 2017 at 11:35 am //

      Very well said. You said what most people are thinking but are not able to articulate.

      Can’t wait to hear what mrwatchmewhipwatchmenaenae says to attempt to turn this around on Rider fans being “desperate to prove him wrong”

    • mrnehnehincognito // May 26, 2017 at 5:02 pm //

      One of Chris’s biggest negatives that is bandied about by the Rider media and Rider fans is his lack of media availability. Chris has an undisputed reputation by his peers as being one of the hardest working coaches in professional football. His lack of availabilty can be distilled down to the fact that he would rather be working to build a championship team than giving media interviews, etc.

      Allan,,,,yet Jones has plenty of time for high profile press conferences like the Young signing and interviews with the likes of sports Illustrated

      • When, will these mundane and irrevalent statements end? The grievance you outlined is part and parcel of a Professional football Head Coach/GM’s job description. High profile signings and Media interviews should not be handled by subordinate staff.

        So, now you’re blaming Jones for doing his job!

        • mrnehnehincognito // May 26, 2017 at 8:11 pm //

          so why is he hesitant to have more availability. Your statement above contradicted your argument

          • Allan (quote) – One of Chris’s biggest negatives that is bandied about by the Rider media and Rider fans is HIS LACK OF MEDIA AVAILABILITY. His lack of availability can be distilled down to the fact that HE WOULD RATHER BE WORKING TO BUILD A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM THAN GIVING MEDIA INTERVIEWS, etc.

            Lack (definition) – to be without or deficient in

            Allan (quote) – The grievance you outlined is part and parcel of a Professional football Head Coach/GM’s job description.

            mrnehnehincognito – so why is he hesitant to have more availability. Your statement above contradicted your argument

            Your cognitive dissonance within this dialogue is one for my books. A Football Coach & GM are the face of the organization they are employed by. It is expected, by default, they will be available for higher profile signings media interviews, etc.. This is what GM’s & Coaches do. Another reason Young’s signing and the Sports Illustrated interview is VERY important is because it gives the CFL & the Riders added exposure South of the border. It’s good marketing sense for the Riders and the CFL. Side note – It was Jones who originally flew down to meet and convince Vince Young to sign. For anyone else to announce the signing of VG or do the Sports Illustrated interview would have been an insult to VG and to the Riders Organization.

            This has been explained to you in the simplest of terms. If you are unable to comprehend the logic put forth. Then I would state that this dialogue is a waste of my time as well as yours.

            [Note – Shower, snack & then the rebuttal. Which would have already been completed but for this unnecessary required response. See you in a few hours]

      • Lack of availability is a key indication that he is a leader.

  14. mrnehnehincognito // May 26, 2017 at 2:29 pm //

    Allan
    Some decent points but I will comment to the contrary to some of them.
    You say the riders are the 2nd highest per capita support among American style football centers. Where is the data that quantifies this? and more specific how does it account for other sports teams in the market competing for the dollar?
    Chris Jones automatically comes with scrutiny. Consider he is on his 5th CFL team in a 15 year career (including one where he was fined for the way he left). It was reported at least 1 week prior to the grey cup he was was taking the sask job so I think public interest is warranted as to why he would show such disloyalty when he was on the verge of a title. Mass and Sunderland (like most) left during off season with full permission of their current employer to do so.
    Bill Belichick did leave one employer under controversy but since has been with the same team for 17 years without similar incident (I’m sure any team in NFL or NCAA would be willing to pay out his contract to have him). If Jones shows this same loyalty then 17 years from now it wont be a issue for him either.
    Bellichick has faced controversy twice in his career. The latest more focused on his QB and equipment personnel. You can make the argument he is being targeted due to his and the teams perennial success. Lets me candid here Allan; has Jones and the Riders done anything comparable to what Bellichick and the Patriots have? Both in terms of success or longevity?
    Chris Jones has more controversy this off season alone than Bellichick has had in 17 years! This is why Jones makes the news…he decides to be controversial figure !!!
    Lastly with all Jones indiscretions aside why would the Riders be targeted? Considering they are the financial rock of this league its counter intuitive to want to harm them. If anything the league would help them all they can!

    • I will respond as soon as my rebuttal is complete. It’s taken more time because practically everything you’ve stated is inaccurate and superfluous. That is a telling sign that you’re level of research for relevant data is limited to your memory, other people’s (friends, 3rd party rumours, musings, etc.) & single-layered research data or any combination of those methodologies combined.

      You’ve requested factual information but have provided none yourself. However, as per your request, I’m assembling yours. This dialogue, in order to be factual, has to be a 2-way street. I’ll be providing links to my rebuttal. I would request, that in the future, you do likewise.

      As a career analyst/advisor I am extremely careful & meticulous in my research and statements. Any misstep, on my part, would be disastrous for my clients as well as my reputation. You can be assured that any statement I make has been thoroughly vetted before being posted. This is not a request for you trust me as it’s everyone’s responsibility to trust no one and do their own research. Rather, it’s just to let you know where I’m coming from and that a higher standard is expected.

      The rebuttal is coming!

      • Mrs Champ // May 27, 2017 at 8:45 am //

        it looks like stampland is about to be taken behind the woodshed and given a beating. Cant wait Allan. You are correct, stampland spews out garbage without any factual backing, he just wants to believe what he writes because it suits his position.

        • mrnehnehincognito // May 27, 2017 at 11:42 am //

          what did I say that wasn’t true? I ask this of rider fans all the time and the question leaves them “stumped” to use one of their favorite spew veiled terms

          • mrnehnehincognito // May 27, 2017 at 11:43 am //

            Allan seems to have disappeared anyways

          • Some of us do have other more pressing priorities in life besides football. I will be responding a little later tonight or early morning after I get back home.

          • Rebuttal – Part 1

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            mrnehnehincognito – You say the riders are the 2nd highest per capita support among American style football centers. Where is the data that quantifies this?

            Allan – The articles will add perspective to this topic segment that is a minor part of the larger post. I classify it as a minor part because in the larger picture of the other topic (Jones) in this post it is a moot point. The variances and flexibilty in what is demographically defined in Population bases for city, urban and metro, etc. relegates exact determinations of rankings to the category of logical assumption.

            Habs, Leafs, and Riders are the Top Sports Brands in Canada (2015)
            Quote – The Riders are a branding phenomenon worth noting. They are ranked number three across all of Canada despite Saskatchewan only accounting for 3% of the nation’s overall population.
            Of note, the Riders are the only football team in the Top 10. The other nine top-ranked teams are NHL, NBA & MLB Franchises whose marketing budgets far exceeds that of the Riders. In 2011, it was estimated that Rider fans accounted for 67.5% of CFL merchandise purchases.
            http://insightrix.com/sports-brand-study-canada/#sthash.xT1QhyJc.dpbs
            http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-roughriders-no-3-best-canadian-sports-brand-insightrix-1.3143727

            Saskatchewan Roughriders – Wiki (Scroll down to Popularity section)
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan_Roughriders
            Rider fans have been referred to as the best fans in the league and were ranked the rowdiest fans of any sports team in Canada by MSN Sports, ranking ahead of the Canada men’s national junior ice hockey team and the Montreal Canadiens. In 2009 the team played in 5 of the 6 most viewed games on television [citation needed] as well as breaking a ratings record for the West Final against the Calgary Stampeders and a Grey Cup ratings record of 43% of the national population against the Montreal Alouettes.[citation needed]. The Riders typically bring an upsurge in attendance at all or most of their various away venues, drawing crowds of their own fans, as well as home-town fans whose interest is heightened when the Roughriders come to town.

            Do the CFL’s Saskatchewan Roughriders Have the Best Fans in Sports? – 2015-07-13
            https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/do-the-cfls-saskatchewan-roughriders-have-the-best-fans-in-sports

            Eskimos are still league leaders in attendance numbers, but half the seats at Commonwealth are empty – 2016-08-24
            http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/08/24/eskimos-are-still-league-leaders-in-attendance-numbers-but-half-the-seats-at-commonwealth-are-empty

            #1 – Green Bay Packers
            The city of Green Bay had a population of only 104,057 as of the 2010 census,[35] and only 600,000 in its television market, significantly less than the average NFL figures. Every Packers home game—preseason, regular season and playoffs—has been sold out since 1960. Lambeau Field seating capacity = 81,435.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers#cite_note-47
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambeau_Field#cite_note-72
            ——-

            mrnehnehincognito – and more specific how does it account for other sports teams in the market competing for the dollar?

            Allan – This point is also moot for the reasons given above. Now, on to the important part of this post.
            ——-

            continued in Part 2 …..

          • Rebuttal – Part 2
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            mrnehnehincognito – Chris Jones automatically comes with scrutiny. Consider he is on his 5th CFL team in a 15 year career (including one where he was fined for the way he left).

            A Comparison of other CFL Coaches and/OR GM’S
            Brock Sunderland (Esks)_4 in 14 yrs; [4/15yrs]
            Don Matthews_CFL_10 teams in 32 yrs [5/15 yrs]
            George Cortez_5 teams in 6 yrs [13/15 yrs]
            Greg Quick_4 teams in 7 yrs [9/15 yrs]
            Jacques Chapdelaine_6 teams in 15 yrs [6/15 yrs]
            Jason Maas (Esks)_3 teams in 5 yrs [9/15 yrs]
            Joe Faragalli_7 teams in 13 yrs [8/15 yrs]
            Kavis Reed (Als)_8 teams in 15 yrs [8/15 yrs]
            Marc Trestman (Argos) (CFL & NFL)_15 teams in 37 yrs [6/15 yrs]
            Marcel Desjardins (Ottawa)_4 teams in 12 yrs [5/15 yrs]
            Mark Nelson (Ottawa)_CFL_7 teams in 12 yrs [9/15 yrs]
            Mike Faragalli_CFL_4 teams in 4 yrs [15/15 yrs]
            Nick Nicolau (NFL & CFL)_9 teams in 21 yrs [6/15 yrs]
            Rick Campbell (Ottawa)_6 teams in 15 yrs [6/15 yrs]
            Travis Moore (Ottawa)_4 teams in 6 yrs [10/15 yrs]
            Jeff Reinebold (Ham)_CFL_5 teams in 7 yrs [11/15 yrs]

            Bill Belichick_8 teams in 25 yrs [4.8/15 yrs]

            [Numbers are rounded to the nearest total; i.e. – except, Bill Belichick]
            [Data was gleaned from a random sampling of CFL coaches at Wikipedia]
            [Note – Bracketed figures, signify the projected number times the coach and/or GM would have change teams in a 15 yr period based on past and present historical data. This extension allows a more real world comparison of Chris Jones 5 teams in 15 yrs]

            Allan – I explained in a previous post (Quote – It is accepted practice within the CFL for football operations staff to advance their careers by the procedures just spoken of.). You commented on this same post about Chris Jones media availabilty. Then you later posted this accusation without doing any followup research of your own.

            Do you really think that the 16 of these 17 coaches/GM’s that equaled or surpassed Jones 5 teams in 15 years are disloyal?
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            mrnehnehincognito – It was reported at least 1 week prior to the grey cup he was was taking the sask job so I think public interest is warranted as to why he would show such disloyalty when he was on the verge of a title.

            Allan – Rumours is never news but rather innuendoe and definitely Not fact. 2016 Grey Cup – Nov 27, 2016.

            JONES – Rumours Saskatchewan Roughriders want Chris Jones – 2015-11-30
            http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/11/30/jones-rumours-saskatchewan-roughriders-want-chris-jones

            Edmonton Eskimos coach Chris Jones on his way out? – 2015-12-01
            This is post-Grey Cup and not as you insinuated that there was collusion involving the Riders speaking to Jones one-week before the Grey Cup game and Not having the Esk’s permission. This is what I meant by deriving news from rumours which leads to baseless accusations and innuendoes.
            http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/12/01/edmonton-eskimos-coach-chris-jones-doesnt-address-rumours
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            mrnehnehincognito – Mass and Sunderland (like most) left during off season with full permission of their current employer to do so.

            Allan – Ed Hervey gave permission to Jones and the Riders on Dec 2, 2015 (Off-Season). CFL League office did not fine or reprimand anyone. So, there was no collusion and must be accepted as fact unless you can prove otherwise.

            Eskimos give Roughriders permission to talk to head coach Chris Jones – 2015-12-02
            http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/eskimos-give-roughriders-permission-to-talk-to-head-coach-chris-jones
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            mrnehnehincognito – Bill Belichick did leave one employer under controversy

            Allan – The fact remains that there was tampering by talking with Belichick before he resigned to coach the Patriots. At the time, Belichick was under contract with the Jets. The manner is which Belichick left the Jets was particularly brutal. And, yet you’ve chosen to elevate Belichick by downplaying the brutal manner in which he left the Jets organization and fans.

            Wikipedia – Belichick had two different stints as the head coach of the Jets without ever coaching a game.

            When Parcells stepped down as head coach in 1999, he had already arranged with team management to have Belichick succeed him. However, Belichick would be the New York Jets’ head coach for only one day. When Belichick was introduced as head coach to the media—the day after his hiring was publicized—he turned it into a surprise-resignation announcement. Before taking the podium, he scrawled a resignation note on a sheet of loose leaf paper that read, in its entirety, “I resign as HC of the NYJ.” He then delivered a half-hour speech explaining his resignation to the assembled press corps.

            Tampering – Parcells and the Jets claimed that Belichick was still under contract to the Jets, and demanded compensation from the Patriots. NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue agreed, and the Patriots gave the Jets a first-round draft pick in 2000 in exchange for the right to hire Belichick.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick
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            mrnehnehincognito – but since has been with the same team for 17 years without similar incident (I’m sure any team in NFL or NCAA would be willing to pay out his contract to have him). If Jones shows this same loyalty then 17 years from now it wont be a issue for him either.

            Allan – This is Not relevant. The time frame, for comparison of both coaches, has to the same time frames. Jones has not been coaching for 17 years and so this is not comparable by any means.
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            mrnehnehincognito – Bellichick has faced controversy twice in his career. The latest more focused on his QB and equipment personnel. You can make the argument he is being targeted due to his and the teams perennial success.

            Allan – Belichick has faced controversy three times.
            (1) He negotiated to coach the Patriots while under contract with the Jets.
            (2) Videogate – Coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 – the maximum allowed by NFL rules – and the Patriots penalized $250,000, plus the loss of a least one draft pick. This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field, commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in a letter to the Patriots.
            (3) Deflategate – The controversy resulted in Patriots quarterback Tom Brady being suspended for four games and the team being fined $1 million and losing two draft picks.

            The same can be said for the Riders being targeted for various reasons. Nonetheless, the Riders paid the fines and offered no excuse. The Patriots have also accepted responsibility in the same manner as the Riders.
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            mrnehnehincognito – Lets me candid here Allan; has Jones and the Riders done anything comparable to what Bellichick and the Patriots have? Both in terms of success or longevity?

            Allan – What, are you on? You’re talking about two different timelines 17 years apart. Jones has been with the Riders for one year. How does Jones 1 year tenure with the Riders have anything to do with Belichick’s 17 yr tenure with the Patriots? It, doesn’t!

            mrnehnehincognito – Chris Jones has more controversy this off season alone than Bellichick has had in 17 years! This is why Jones makes the news…he decides to be controversial figure !!!

            Allan – Jones, comparison
            (1) Jones – Had permission; Belichick – No permission; Departed from the Jets in a heartless manner. Heavy fines were imposed.
            (2) Jones – Practising unsigned and injured list players; Belichick – Videogate. Severe fines for cheating.
            (3) Jones – Practising unsigned and injured list players; Belichick – Deflategate. More, severe fines for cheating.

            I was going to previously take a wild guess you were smoking some of that weed people in the comment section were talking about. After, appraising this latest comment of yours. I would hazard a guess that it’s crack, or worse. There’s, NO comparison!
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            mrnehnehincognito – Lastly with all Jones indiscretions aside why would the Riders be targeted? Considering they are the financial rock of this league its counter intuitive to want to harm them. If anything the league would help them all they can!

            Allan – There is no hard evidence that the Riders were targeted. Rarely does evidence present itself in classic situations such as these. However, abductive reasoning, would suggest the following reasons retain a high probability factor.

            There had been some criticism around the league that the CFL office and Orridge had not been fully representing the league. There was also severe criticism of the officiating by the fans and media. The CFL Office and CFL Commisioner had their annual review coming up in the Spring so something overtly beneficial had to be initiated without damaging the individual teams. The Riders likely became the most suitable target for the following reasons.

            (1) The Riders could easily afford any fines meted out.
            (2) The fan base are very loyal and would likely be unaffected by negativity.
            (3) Jones was an easy target who was recently in the media when he signed with the Riders.
            (4) 2 of the 9 CFL teams are community owned. Targeting, one of these, would be the least offensive to the owners of privately owned teams which no one in the CFL wants to alienate.

            Jason Gregor – CFL needs to do a much better job of marketing itself
            http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/football/cfl/jason-gregor-cfl-needs-to-do-a-much-better-job-of-marketing-itself
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            SUMMARY
            There’s no truth to be found in your posts. Just lies and half-truths. It is clear you are agenda driven preying on the vulnerable and those unable to defend themselves. Should I, be surprized? Not really, in my career, I am used to dealing with all sorts of liars and manipulators. However, I am amazed that someone would sacrifice their personal integrity by lying consciously or otherwise for something as trivial as sports. Personally, I know people who have sold their soul to the devil for promises of wealth and power. If I was you I would negotiate for a better deal.

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      • mrnehnehincognito // May 29, 2017 at 10:51 am //

        Wow Allan. That is a mouth full. You do realize you can’t bill that out to the Saskatchewan Roughriders don’t you?

        I must admit it will take me several responses for rebuttal but for now I will go after your most glaring weak points

        COMPARING JONES TO BELICHICK
        YOU:
        1-mrnehnehincognito – Chris Jones has more controversy this off season alone than Bellichick has had in 17 years! This is why Jones makes the news…he decides to be controversial figure !!!

        Allan – Jones, comparison
        Jones – 1 Had permission; Belichick – No permission; Departed from the Jets in a heartless manner. Heavy fines were imposed.
        (2) Jones – Practising unsigned and injured list players; Belichick – Videogate. Severe fines for cheating.
        (3) Jones – Practising unsigned and injured list players; Belichick – Deflategate. More, severe fines for cheating.

        NOW: MAY 29 REBUTTAL
        Allan you are giving some very nebulous responses regarding Jones Fines. Lets be more specific:
        This off season
        1)- Fined for speaking to Manziel’s publicists
        2)- Fined for practicing suspended player
        3)-Fined for his recruitment of a junior player
        4)-Was “slapped on wrist” for scheduling a tryout camp outside of his legal jurisdiction

        That’s 4 to your aforementioned 3 for Belichick and hence my point is correct

        FYI ALLAN. Fines for tampering were implemented in 2011 when he signed with the Argonauts. That gives you a comparison to Belichick and the NYJ situation. THIS POINT IS JUST FOR FUN’S SAKE

  15. SaskWatch // May 29, 2017 at 3:27 am //

    I’d say mrpainintheass just got schooled, big time.
    Bravo Allan – Take a bow.

  16. mrnehnehincognito // May 29, 2017 at 11:42 am //

    Allan comment:
    The variances and flexibilty in what is demographically defined in Population bases for city, urban and metro, etc. relegates exact determinations of rankings to the category of logical assumption.

    NOW: May 29
    So by this comment you admit you can’t quantify this. My point proved!

  17. mrnehnehincognito // May 29, 2017 at 12:57 pm //

    FURTHER REBUTTAL TO ALLAN

    YOU:
    Allan – The articles will add perspective to this topic segment that is a minor part of the larger post. I classify it as a minor part because in the larger picture of the other topic (Jones) in this post it is a moot point. The variances and flexibilty in what is demographically defined in Population bases for city, urban and metro, etc. relegates exact determinations of rankings to the category of logical assumption.

    Habs, Leafs, and Riders are the Top Sports Brands in Canada (2015)
    Quote – The Riders are a branding phenomenon worth noting. They are ranked number three across all of Canada despite Saskatchewan only accounting for 3% of the nation’s overall population.
    Of note, the Riders are the only football team in the Top 10. The other nine top-ranked teams are NHL, NBA & MLB Franchises whose marketing budgets far exceeds that of the Riders. In 2011, it was estimated that Rider fans accounted for 67.5% of CFL merchandise purchases.
    http://insightrix.com/sports-brand-study-canada/#sthash.xT1QhyJc.dpbs
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-roughriders-no-3-best-canadian-sports-brand-insightrix-1.3143727

    Saskatchewan Roughriders – Wiki (Scroll down to Popularity section)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan_Roughriders
    Rider fans have been referred to as the best fans in the league and were ranked the rowdiest fans of any sports team in Canada by MSN Sports, ranking ahead of the Canada men’s national junior ice hockey team and the Montreal Canadiens. In 2009 the team played in 5 of the 6 most viewed games on television [citation needed] as well as breaking a ratings record for the West Final against the Calgary Stampeders and a Grey Cup ratings record of 43% of the national population against the Montreal Alouettes.[citation needed]. The Riders typically bring an upsurge in attendance at all or most of their various away venues, drawing crowds of their own fans, as well as home-town fans whose interest is heightened when the Roughriders come to town.

    Do the CFL’s Saskatchewan Roughriders Have the Best Fans in Sports? – 2015-07-13
    https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/do-the-cfls-saskatchewan-roughriders-have-the-best-fans-in-sports

    NOW: May 29
    Allen anyone can pull stuff off the internet to prove a point. You say the riders are the rowdiest fans in the league. I don’t think so …….http://bleacherreport.com/articles/999376-cfl-ranking-the-cfls-fanbases
    The point is you can pull anything off the internet to make a point.
    Further you pull stats from insightrix..a SASKATCHEWAN based company who polled 2700 fans from different cities. How do we know Calgary,Edmonton, Vancouver were not heavily ex pts from Sask? The fact is we don’t.. the article is very weak and scientific proof is non existent.

    The point I made originally was on the quantitative, which is proven scientific facts/methods. There is none. Did you ever take any actual (none soft)science courses at post secondary level? If you did you know you had to turn in a log book after every weeks lab showing your methods,analysis etc.

    So again based on the argument I made I’m right

  18. mrnehnehincognito // May 29, 2017 at 1:33 pm //

    FURTHER REBUTTAL TO ALLAN

    YOU:
    Allan – The articles will add perspective to this topic segment that is a minor part of the larger post. I classify it as a minor part because in the larger picture of the other topic (Jones) in this post it is a moot point. The variances and flexibilty in what is demographically defined in Population bases for city, urban and metro, etc. relegates exact determinations of rankings to the category of logical assumption.

    Habs, Leafs, and Riders are the Top Sports Brands in Canada (2015)
    Quote – The Riders are a branding phenomenon worth noting. They are ranked number three across all of Canada despite Saskatchewan only accounting for 3% of the nation’s overall population.
    Of note, the Riders are the only football team in the Top 10. The other nine top-ranked teams are NHL, NBA & MLB Franchises whose marketing budgets far exceeds that of the Riders. In 2011, it was estimated that Rider fans accounted for 67.5% of CFL merchandise purchases.
    http://insightrix.com/sports-brand-study-canada/#sthash.xT1QhyJc.dpbs
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/saskatchewan-roughriders-no-3-best-canadian-sports-brand-insightrix-1.3143727

    Saskatchewan Roughriders – Wiki (Scroll down to Popularity section)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatchewan_Roughriders
    Rider fans have been referred to as the best fans in the league and were ranked the rowdiest fans of any sports team in Canada by MSN Sports, ranking ahead of the Canada men’s national junior ice hockey team and the Montreal Canadiens. In 2009 the team played in 5 of the 6 most viewed games on television [citation needed] as well as breaking a ratings record for the West Final against the Calgary Stampeders and a Grey Cup ratings record of 43% of the national population against the Montreal Alouettes.[citation needed]. The Riders typically bring an upsurge in attendance at all or most of their various away venues, drawing crowds of their own fans, as well as home-town fans whose interest is heightened when the Roughriders come to town.

    Do the CFL’s Saskatchewan Roughriders Have the Best Fans in Sports? – 2015-07-13
    https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/do-the-cfls-saskatchewan-roughriders-have-the-best-fans-in-sports

    NOW: May 29
    Allan . You say the riders are the rowdiest fans in the league. I don’t think so …….http://bleacherreport.com/articles/999376-cfl-ranking-the-cfls-fanbases
    The point is you can pull anything off the internet to make a point.
    Further you pull stats from a SASKATCHEWAN based company. IMO how do we know participants in the other cities were not heavily weighted towards ex pats from Sask? The fact is we don’t.
    The point I made originally was on the quantitative, in which I meant proof of scientific facts/methods. There is none. Did you ever take any actual (none soft)science courses at the post secondary level? If you did you know you had to turn in a log book after every weeks lab showing your methods,analysis etc.

    So again based on the argument I made I’m right

  19. mrnehnehincognito // May 29, 2017 at 2:08 pm //

    NEXT REBUTTAL

    YOU:
    mrnehnehincognito – Chris Jones automatically comes with scrutiny. Consider he is on his 5th CFL team in a 15 year career (including one where he was fined for the way he left).

    NOW: May 29 2016
    Allan you list off 17 coaches (a drop in the bucket of the total CFL coaching fraternity). You obviously took a lot of time making this. I commend you. However; you needed to take it one step further, I can tell you categorically many of these moves were the result of termination from previous employer, resignations due to sickness and even folding of organizations, Chris Jones moves are based on none of these.
    Why would you not mention this Allan?

  20. mrnehnehincognito // May 29, 2017 at 2:44 pm //

    NEXT REBUTTAL

    Do you really think that the 16 of these 17 coaches/GM’s that equaled or surpassed Jones 5 teams in 15 years are disloyal?

    NOW: May 29
    To answer your question in many cases absolutely in no way does this reflect disloyalty.
    Lets look at Chapdelaine
    from 2001-2013 (save for 2007 when he was head coach of Edmonton). He worked solely for Wally Buono so I’d say that defines loyalty!
    So further to my last point you really need to research more if you you are going to try and make comparisons between Jones and other coaches movements

  21. Someone remind me, what was the topic of this article? And how do some people get past the evil spambot test?

  22. This should start a frothing feeding frenzy: Cox found not guilty and saying he would like another chance with the Riders.

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