Riders workout Johnny Manziel. Team denies it.

The Canadian Football League says it’s investigating a report that former Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel had a workout with the Saskatchewan Roughriders.

Sources with 3DownNation.com say Manziel was put through the paces by the Riders in Florida in advance of last month’s Senior Bowl. Manziel is on the Hamilton Tiger-Cats’ negotiation list, having been added on Sept. 9, 2012, and Saskatchewan did not have permission to conduct a workout.

The team says it did not work out Manziel.

“The Saskatchewan Roughriders have not held or attended a workout involving Johnny Manziel,” said Riders vice-president of football operations, general manager and head coach Chris Jones in a statement released by the team. “With that, I will not be commenting further on the report.”

One of the sources works in the CFL and another is close to Manziel. They independently said they had knowledge of a workout but did not want their identities divulged.

Late yesterday afternoon Johnny Manziel told TMZ.com that the workout with Saskatchewan did not happen.

“I have had no workouts with any team from the CFL,” Manziel said.

CFL spokespeople Paulo Senra said the league is looking into it.

“We are investigating. The Riders tell us that they did not work out Manziel. So at this point, it appears the report is false,” Senra said in statement. “Should other evidence come to light, we will deal with it accordingly.”

CFL bylaws state that clubs are “expressly forbidden to negotiate, directly or indirectly, with a player whose name is on the negotiation list of another member club.”

The 2012 Heisman Trophy winner has been out of football for an entire season after being released by Cleveland on Mar. 11, 2016. That said, Manziel has started his rehabilitation tour back to pro football in a public setting. He sent out a series of Tweets on Jan. 19 acknowledging past struggles with alcohol although he has since deleted his Twitter account, stating it is a “distraction.”

Manziel has been at the centre of controversy, the most serious of which involved a domestic violence charge stemming from an altercation with his then-girlfriend. In December, Manziel struck a deal with prosecutors that would see the charges dropped if he met certain conditions over the period of a year.

Last August, CFL commissioner Jeffrey Orridge told ESPN that Manziel would be welcome in the CFL if he could assure the league he would be an appropriate fit for its culture.

The Browns selected Manziel in the first-round, 22nd overall in the 2014 NFL draft. He played in 14 games, starting eight (2-6 win-loss), completing 147 of 258 passes (57 per cent completion rate) for 1,675 yards with seven touchdowns and seven interceptions, posting a 74.4 QB rating. Manziel added 46 carries for 259 yards (5.6-yards-per-carry) and one touchdown.

This isn’t the first time the Riders have faced league scrutiny since Jones took over as general manager and head coach before the 2016 season. In August, the CFL fined the Roughriders $60,000 and reduced the team’s salary cap by $26,000 for practising with ineligible players.

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163 Comments on Riders workout Johnny Manziel. Team denies it.

  1. William Watson // February 9, 2017 at 1:05 pm //

    Nice to see the riders staying classy and continuing to embarrass the league with their cheap, devious dealings. What an organisation.

    • you are right it is a fantastic organization that is getting tired of carrying the CFL. Lets talk when the facts are in and you can bow before the elite CFL Ridernation.

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 6:40 pm //

      firstly, make sure the facts are true before you spout off and make yourself into an idiot. Next, Johnny’s spokesperson denies the rumor and so do the riders so perhaps it is Justin Dunk – The Skunk who is the embarrassment. If JD did make this up or not check out his sources, he needs to be banned from writing articles end of story.

      • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 7:10 pm //

        Johnny M also outright denies the report as well – TMZ Sports writes that they talked directly to Johnny and he denies it so looks like it is Dunk that needs to be in hot water.

        • Or, maybe, everyone involved realized they’ve done something they shouldn’t and are now back-pedalling.

          Why do you find this so hard to believe? What is it about Jones that makes you think he’s above this?

          • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 8:08 pm //

            ha ha ya right…….Jones, Johnny, and Johnny’s agent all got together and are agreeing to lie about this one. Are you in a dream world or what!!! How far do you really think that story would last!!! Giveme a friggin break.

          • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 11:34 am //

            “Jones, Johnny, and Johnny’s agent all got together and are agreeing to lie about this one.”

            Do you even know how workouts are arranged, Nik? If Johnny got a workout, it would have been set up between Jones (who knows the neg list rule) and Johnny’s agent. Jones would most definitely let the agent know that the workout would be against the rules and would have to be denied. Johnny’s agent would most definitely inform Johnny of this and they would have to agree to deny it if the workout ever came to it.

            The CFL’s “denial” of this is really worded as “the Riders said they didn’t do it, so we’ll assume they didn’t do it at this point”.

            Now, others here have made a good point in that the workout itself probably wouldn’t make much sense, since Jones couldn’t sign Johnny anyway, but it certainly would make a difference in whether Jones wants to trade with Hamilton for Johnny’s rights.

          • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 12:36 pm //

            why would you find it hard to believe that the moron Justin Dunk has a source that is not reliable or misled and the whole thing is a made up lie. Did you think about that angle.

          • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 12:44 pm //

            “why would you find it hard to believe that the moron Justin Dunk has a source that is not reliable or misled and the whole thing is a made up lie.”

            I don’t find that hard to believe. I find that very plausible, actually. I’m personally not taking sides on this issue as I don’t know the facts nor really even care – it’s just off-season drama as far as I’m concerned. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

            My comment was more focused on the idea that you are presenting that “there are a bunch of different people denying the story, so it must be false”, when in fact all the people who have spoken on this issue (other than the CFL commissioner, who has taken a pretty neutral stance) have an interest on denying the report, whether it is true or not.

        • “Jones, Johnny, and Johnny’s agent all got together and are agreeing to lie about this one.”

          Sure. How hard is it? Manziel has no options right now. Jones says “we’ll give you a look, but keep it between us”. That’s all it takes.

          I get that you’re a fan of your team, and I don’t pretend to actually know the truth here. But if you’re convinced Jones is above this, you’re the one dreaming. I have no idea what makes you think he’s beyond doubt here based on his past behaviour.

          • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 10:06 am //

            I’m not saying Jones isn’t a sneak but come one, it would take numerous people, onlookers, bystanders, Jones, Jones’s staff, Johnny’s agent and Johnny himself to all come up with some sort of lie. Do you really think they all could stick to some sort of story and have people believe it. The real moron here then is you CC if you believe they all got together and said “lets keep this to ourselves” wink wink and by the way all the other people around here, can you please agree with our story. idiot!!!

          • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 11:41 am //

            Uncle Nik – the people who would be involved in the lie would all be under the employ of either Jones or Manziel (through his agent). They are also football people – keeping things under wraps (like playbooks, techniques, negotiation terms) is a very large part of their jobs. We’re not talking about a random gathering of a few hundred people who all have to be told to keep quiet here – we’re talking about a dozen-or-so people who are very much aware that leaking this information would have a huge impact on their future employability.

        • Super Cabrone // February 10, 2017 at 10:33 am //

          Do you clowns really believe that a cement head like Manziel and a convicted cheater like Jones would REALLY think it in their best interests to tell the truth on this? Oh wait, Manziel’s rep said it didn’t happen either so then it must not have. Honest to pete, y’all are so far into that bag of glue you can’t even begin to figure out how to take that big green sack off your heads and realise what is actually going on. If Dunk reported it, you can bank on it. Justin Dunk does not engage in hearsay, speculation, untruths or rumour. Why would he? Time for y’all to wake up and realise your precious team is being run by people who will disrespect, dishonour, and cheat their way to any advantage they think they can attain even at the expense of staining the league’s reputation, and the extent to which all y’all continue to support them puts you in the very same sinking boat as them. Listen to what a wise man, Darrell Davis has to say on it: http://cjme.com/article/1145539/darrell-davis-reason-believe

          • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 12:56 pm //

            you have to get a reality check man!!!! Dunk has not stake or nothing to gain in this, I guess he does?? Maybe his source or so called source (which he needs to divulge to make this credible) was wrong. did you ever think of that??? Reporters do tend to lie at times to perhaps stir things up and write a juicy article. Dunk is no more credible than anyone else in the media, he is only as good as his last article and in this case, he fails in his last article. By the way, what would be gained anyways from Jones and Johnny sneaking around…..nothing. All Jones has to do is ask Hamilton if it is ok to look at Johnny, and they likely will say yes. Plus Jones can look at any countless rolls of film on Johnny, he doesn’t need to sneak around anywhere to get information on him. You are a clown man, a red nosed clown. Now put down the bottle and sleep it off.

          • “Reporters do tend to lie at times to perhaps stir things up and write a juicy article.”

            When has Dunk ever done that?

            When has Jones broken roster management rules?

        • “Do you really think they all could stick to some sort of story and have people believe it.”

          How long did they keep the pre-practice roster thing under wraps? And that involved far more players.

          You make it sound like it has to be some great conspiracy. All it takes is Manziel, Jones and/or a member of the Saskatchewan staff and a private setting. A spokesperson for Manziel will say whatever Manziel wants him or her to day.

          I’ll bet the truth is closer to somewhere in the middle (as it often is). Maybe Manziel chatted with somebody from Sask, maybe he was tossing a few balls “with friends” at the time, etc. Not “officially” a workout under stadium lights so technically not lying about not working out, but a little tire kicking from Jones who has a history of not being particularly concerned with irritants like rules, ethics, etc.

          • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 12:41 pm //

            ha ha ya right!! Jones calls him and says….Hey Johnny, meet me in the cover of darkness behind the hill at the park. I will watch you throw a few balls and we are good to go. Ha ha you guys are hilarious trying to figure out how this thing could unfold. It didn’t happen, did you ever consider that!!! How about the fact that Justin Dunk is incorrect versus a pile of other people getting together and making up a story and sticking to it. idiots.

          • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 12:58 pm //

            “ones calls him and says….Hey Johnny, meet me in the cover of darkness behind the hill at the park. ”

            In a sense, yeah, that actually is pretty much how it would go down. Substitute “cover of darkness” with “private session with only your people and my people” and substitute “behind a hill at the park” with “in a private workout facility booked by Manziel’s agent, complete with a non-disclosure agreement”.

          • “It didn’t happen, did you ever consider that!!!”

            I did. I point blank stated that I didn’t know the truth. I even suggested that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

            You, however, are incapable of acknowledging that possibility that it has. Be very clear on this, YOU are the one with the closed mind. You prefer to believe that Dunk is lying, with no evidence or precedent, and that Jones is not, and he hasn’t done much to earn the benefit of the doubt.

            And then lengths you’ll go through (cover of darkness…come on now) to exaggerate what a complex transaction this would have had to be should show you how incapable of rational and objective thought you are.

          • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 1:08 pm //

            what Dunk has done in the past with writing truthful articles has nothing to do with whether or not his source was correct and this is a legit article. This time, the article could be a lie and how does his past articles have anything to do with that.

          • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 2:28 pm //

            “what Dunk has done in the past with writing truthful articles has nothing to do with whether or not his source was correct and this is a legit article.”

            Yes, that’s true. There are only two possibilities – Dunk is correct, or Dunk is incorrect. And whatever has happened in the past won’t change that.

            Outside of evidence either way – as is with any news article that relies on anonymous sources – the question boils down to who you choose to believe. That in turn boils down to who has the better track record when it comes to trust.

            *That* question is where past articles and a person’s track record comes in. And Dunk is far ahead of Jones in that department.

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 12:21 pm //

      hey William, maybe get your facts first before you write drivel. The real loser in this story is a guy like you, who before even figuring out if what was published is even true, you throw some crap comment in without any thought to it. maybe read the articles first and hold off that big mouth of yours.

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 1:06 pm //

      even if this happened so what, the riders are the cornerstone of the cfl and if they want to do something they should be ok to do it. Without them, the rest of the teams don’t have jobs.

      • Uncle Nik- Really? The cornerstone of CFL maybe if by cornerstone you mean most losing team in CFL last 2 years,1 first place in 40 years,few second places and least amount of GCs! .I remember watching my stamps win throughout the 1990s (still are winning) while the riders nearly folded in a nearly condemned 3 quarters empty stadium.League survived then (albeit barely at times). I’m sure it will survive as rider attendance continues to decline as the residual effects of your brief recent success continues to fade

    • WARNING — WARNING

      JOHNNY MANZIEL HAS A TWIN BROTHER THAT PLAYS FOOTBALL.

  2. You know what’s embarrassing? Every other teams attendance and lack of passion from it’s fan base (less WPG). Let me guess…you’re a RedBlack fan??

    • Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 2:25 pm //

      Nothing to be proud about when Gangrene is the only thing to cheer for in the entire province…

      • Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo // February 9, 2017 at 3:59 pm //

        Or you know, the back to back NLL Champion Saskatchewan Rush

        • Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 4:04 pm //

          Is that people in Saskatchewan RUSH to leave the province to find a job!!!

          • Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo // February 9, 2017 at 5:30 pm //

            Among the highest population growth of any Province in the country. Saskatoon and Regina rank #3 and #4 respectively of all metro centres in the country. Maybe find a joke that’s more relevant than 1996.

  3. The Iceman // February 9, 2017 at 2:20 pm //

    Hi, GM Austin here. YES Johnny is available. Please surrender your 1st round pick, Labatte, Van Gylswyk, and we will talk.

  4. Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 2:21 pm //

    Typical Jones… he will cheat lie and steal… Still runs a team that will go no better than 5-12 this year.

  5. Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 2:23 pm //

    Oops.. make that 5-13.

    • Knows more than Bob // February 9, 2017 at 2:51 pm //

      You still know SFA

      • Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 4:06 pm //

        SFA, initials of your Mom? You bet I know her… wink wink, nudge nudge…

        • Knows more than Bob // February 10, 2017 at 12:28 am //

          Wink wink nudge nudge. Bob knows necrophilia. My mom Is dead you pathetic looser. For you to stoop that low says a lot about you. Go CFL Go Riders and Go to Hell.

          • Oh my, hit a nerve did we?? Don’t chuck poop if you can’t take it. Now run along and little boy. Let the adults carry on.

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 6:44 pm //

      why would you believe that skunk Justin Dunk. The team denies it and so does the spokesperson for JManziel. Dunk needs to be held accountable if this is found to be false so lets see how this rolls out. Jones knows that this sort of thing could not be hidden and even so, what benefit would he have in working out Johnny when he couldn’t sign him anyway, doesn’t make sense.

      • Why would I believe him? How often has he been wrong? And based on last year’s behaviour by Jones, there’s nothing about it that would seem out of the ordinary.

        Don’t shoot the messenger, man.

        • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 7:26 pm //

          here are the facts so far:
          Justin Dink reports statement as true
          Riders report it as false
          Johnnys agent reports it as false
          Johnny himself reports it as false (TMZ Sports talked to him)

          I guess the overwealming evidence is against Dunk who is an idiot.

        • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 7:30 pm //

          with counter stories, it looks to me like Justin Dunk needs to get his “so called sources” to speak up and explain where this information came from. JDink can say whatever he wants and no one can dispute it except when he lies…he needs to bring his facts forward now and from who, to either clear his name or allow himself to be flushed down the toilet if he clams up

        • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 12:59 pm //

          he only has to be wrong once, this time. Any past articles, true or not has nothing to do with whether or not Dunk is right in this case. One has nothing to do with the other.

    • maybe leave bob alone. he has trouble even adding to 18 😉

  6. CFL office has reported that the allegations are false. I guess we’ll see how this turns out

    • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 12:17 pm //

      The CFL office has done nothing of the sort. They are taking the position of “we are erring on the side of the Riders unless more evidence comes to light”. This probably includes a follow-up phone call with Orridge, Jones, and Austin to kick off a bigger behind-the-scenes investigation. True or not, we’ll probably learn more as the off-season progresses.

  7. Dan Bombers // February 9, 2017 at 2:34 pm //

    Wonder if this is even true but it makes for good cfl news in the long off season

  8. I’d be surprised if the Riders worked out Manziel; he is far too young! No pun intended. Unfortunately with Jones’s track record, it sound very plausible. Another embarrassment for us Riders fans! Jones is a clown!

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 6:47 pm //

      no benefit in jones working out Manziel, he knows he couldn’t sign him anyway. The real clown is Justin Dunk and if this is found to be made up then JD needs to be removed from any connection to the CFL, he just cooked his goose.

      • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 12:22 pm //

        “no benefit in jones working out Manziel, he knows he couldn’t sign him anyway.”

        On the surface, that’s a very good point, however Jones could trade Hamilton for Manziel’s rights. Given that Hamilton has no reason to sign Manziel themselves, a trade at the right price would probably interest Austin.

        The point of the work out is moreso for Jones to determine exactly how deep in his own roster he would be willing to go to get the neg rights to a QB desperate to play but who has not hit the field in several seasons. Hamilton has nothing to gain and a lot to lose to work out Manziel themselves, so without the workout Jones would have to negotiate the trade blindly.

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 1:03 pm //

      plus sneaking around behind everyones back and working out Johnny is not needed anyways. If Jones is interested in Manziel, all he has to do is ask for permission to look at Johnny. Plus there are countless rolls of film on him anyways to look at to see how he would fit our game and that would be enough to talk to Ticats and ask about him. Sneaking around does nothing plus eventually the riders would have to talk to the Ticats anyways so just do it up front and don’t waste your own time. It just doesn’t make any sense to sneak around and work the guy out when the value of it is nothing.

  9. Maybe Jones thinks that if he’s out of the country, CFL rules don’t apply? 🙂 Seriously, one side says one thing and the other denies it vehemently so only further investigation is going to determine the truth but Dunk is usually spot on with his news. The only way to maybe find out the real story is if Manziel is asked if he’s worked out for any teams lately. He shouldn’t have a reason to lie – unless he’s been paid some “hush hush” money.

    • Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo // February 9, 2017 at 4:04 pm //

      ESPN reports:

      Denise Michaels, Manziel’s spokesperson, said Manziel has not worked out for any CFL team.

      • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 11:53 am //

        “Denise Michaels, Manziel’s spokesperson, said Manziel has not worked out for any CFL team.”

        Which doesn’t do anything to confirm or dispel the idea that Manziel is lying about working out with Regina. She is literally hired to say whatever Manziel or his agent tells her to say. You can have a hundred spokespersons saying the same thing, but the originator of that message is still the same person – Manziel himself. Considering any workout Jones would offer Manziel would come with a very strict “you and I were never here” agreement, such a statement by anyone hired by Manziel or the Riders organization is pretty meaningless.

    • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 11:59 am //

      “if Manziel is asked if he’s worked out for any teams lately. He shouldn’t have a reason to lie”

      Manziel has plenty of reason to lie – the team that has his rights right now is not really in a desperate enough situation to hire him. Every other team would have to be in serious breach of a league rule just to look at him. This is his last chance to play ball for a living – he has no choice but to “play ball” under whatever conditions the team willing to give him a chance offers him. “Shut up or go home” is likely the first of a long-list of criteria Manziel would have to agree to for a workout to even happen. With anyone from the CFL who is not Hamilton.

  10. Enjoy your lawsuit Dunk. You’re a huge idiot who should do fact checking before reporting a story.

  11. nowhereman // February 9, 2017 at 3:17 pm //

    Fiction until it’s documented beyond “sources say”

  12. Dirty Thirty // February 9, 2017 at 3:23 pm //

    The once-prowd Saskatchewan Roughriders organization in now officially a circus.

  13. Dirty Thirty // February 9, 2017 at 3:24 pm //

    The once-proud Saskatchewan Roughriders organization in now officially a circus.

  14. Sensationalist article, with no documented proof of allegations. Indeed, even contradicts its own headline when several sources quoted within the article contradict the main premise that such a workout even occurred. Tabloid worthy reporting, in all aspects. Clean it up Mr. Dunk. Alternate truth a la Donald Trump has no place in main stream media.

  15. justin dunk does not like the riders never has and never will i hope the riders sue 3rd down nation and justin dunk

    • The Iceman // February 9, 2017 at 4:19 pm //

      Truth will come out. Maybe Dunk’s sources are incorrect but a lawsuit…really

      • Abso-freakin-lutly they should sue this jackass. This story is garbage but he reports it as truth and has zero accountability ever. This guy is a total clown.

      • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 12:28 pm //

        “Truth will come out. Maybe Dunk’s sources are incorrect but a lawsuit…really”

        Uh, yes, really. Libel is a pretty serious tort. Truth is a complete defense against a libel lawsuit, however the truth must be real and the burden of proof is on the person being sued to prove a libelous statement was in fact true.

        It doesn’t matter if Dunk believed his source. It doesn’t matter how credible his source is. If it turns out this statement is false, Dunk may not use truth as a defense.

        In all reality, though, it probably wouldn’t go that far. A lawsuit would probably end with an apology from Dunk and an undisclosed settlement.

  16. Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo // February 9, 2017 at 4:02 pm //

    Jones’ lawsuit should be a slam dunk.

  17. RiderFanForLife // February 9, 2017 at 4:21 pm //

    The media’s perpetual habit of reporting unsubstantiated claims is beyond annoying. State your facts or don’t report it. You hang people without any stated evidence. You better be right or call it a career as your credibility will be zilch!

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  19. Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 4:38 pm //

    Gangrene was disciplined twice last season for violating CFL rules, first for roster violations ($60,000 and salary cap reductions) and then for staying on the team’s midfield logo during team introductions ($5,000) less than a week later.

    Where there is smoke….

    • Ottawa was fined for roster violations, Edmonton was fined for the mic fiasco, how many times was Kent Austin been personally fined! once for hitting an official! lets not forget this league is far from perfect but to potentially fabricate these stories is laughable and anyone who believes this is its current state is a dumb as the report itself. i enjoy that rider nation is the brunt of the jokes around this site but the facts remain true the most loyal fan base in the league and those who bash us are nothing but jealous!

      • Jealous of a what? Another pathetic losing season with an egomaniac managing the team? What are you guys smoking in Riderville.

  20. C’mon Justin, great site, but if your going to start making shit up, I’m out of here.

  21. Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 4:49 pm //

    Hey Jones, I hear Montreal has dropped Tim Tebow off their negotiating list…

  22. Chris Robertson // February 9, 2017 at 4:52 pm //

    Either the biggest CFL scandal in history is about begin or someone’s journalism career is about to end… It is time to fish or cut bait! What is your source?

    • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 1:01 pm //

      “the biggest CFL scandal in history is about begin”

      Yeah, this would be a serious rule violation, but biggest scandal in history? I’d say the “pre-practise roster” scandal of 2016 was bigger.

  23. Schmenger // February 9, 2017 at 4:58 pm //

    Hard to believe Jones is that stupid to pull off a stunt like this. However, given his track record of stretching the rules, sounds about right for Jones ego. If this is found correct, Jones is the Doucebag of the league.

  24. Dunk’s sources had better be right and have proof, there is no turning back now. If it goes the court the Riders have a lot deeper pockets than he does. He is either right or his reputation and his bank account will be Dunked down the drain.

    • You guys are much better football fans then you are lawyers. even of the story proves to be false, Jones needs to prove damages. given his history it would be hard to say that the story, even at false, materially damages his reputation or harms his ability to earn a livelihood. it’s the kind of case that you spend $50,000 on to receive a one dollar damage award.

      I like aggressive reporters. Otherwise are you get our team press releases. A little like the Tommy Condell story.

      • If the riders take him to court it won’t be to receive financial compensation. It will be to force Dunk to hire a lawyer to defend his allegation. If it’s not true the Riders can easily afford the $50K to take him to court, can Dunk afford the $50K to defend himself? I doubt it.

        • Marc Lebut // February 10, 2017 at 2:14 pm //

          No libel here and no dammage either. Dunk won’t have much to spend for his defence, and that is IF he has to pay his attorney. He might as well be defended by an attorney granted to him by his employer or his Professional corporation.

          Slap lawsuits can now blow in their initiator’s face. I don’t think the Riders will go in this kind of mess. There are better things to do, such as proving this hasn’t occurred. Dunk would pay on what’s left on his own credibility.

      • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 12:38 pm //

        Damages are much easier to prove in a libel suit than most other lawsuits – partly because it is generally held by the courts that a libelous statement is damaging in itself. Practically speaking, you don’t have to prove that there were damages – only the extent of those damages. And because “reputation” is a very valuable, but intangible asset, courts are generally open to some pretty creative accounting for damages in these cases.

        Libel is also not limited to the individual (Jones). This kind of story attacks the reputation of the Riders’ organization itself. When Jones says “we’re considering legal action.” I don’t think he’s just talking about himself and his family here. He’s talking about the organization. Libel against a corporation can result in some pretty steep damages indeed.

  25. Kyle Walters feeds Dunk bs all time…. The plot thickens.

  26. Dunk has no reason to lie, the Riders on the other hand…….

  27. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 6:34 pm //

    Justin Dunk is an idiot. Justin Dork says it is true, Jones says it is absolutely false. One is lying. Who ever is lying will lose either their job or their credibility or both. Credibility for sure and if it is Justin Dork that is lying, he needs to be held accountable and not allowed to write articles anymore as well. If it is Jones, and likely is not, then he needs to be fired.

  28. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 6:36 pm //

    This could get interesting

  29. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 6:49 pm //

    lets start off by saying the writer of this article is a shit disturber and he had better be right or h just blew his own career

  30. Hamilton has Everett Golson on their team, better than Johnny,according to 3downnation one of the ten biggest football stories of 2016, and he never played a game.

  31. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 7:07 pm //

    Hey Justin Dork (Dunk…oops typo)!! Here is what TMZ Sports is saying “1:05 PM PT — We spoke with Johnny who says the report is straight-up WRONG — “I have had no workouts with any team from the CFL.” So, do you still want to back your statement there Justin or do you want to tell us what is really going on with you trying to stir things up……I guess you just lost your credibility and perhaps should be fired from writing on this site or for anything to do with the CFL. Go write about horse racing or something like that.

  32. Dunk has been very good at digging up stories. I would think he is aware of the consequences of publishing a falsehood. I don’t wish any ill will towards the Riders or their fans but this allegation is serious and should be investigated thoroughly and not waste time shooting the messenger.

    • So far Jones, Manziel’s agent and Manziel himself have said this story is false. Right now the gun is cocked and pointing directly at Dunk’s head. Dunk better be correct or he just pulled the trigger and blew away his reputation.

      • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 8:12 pm //

        hey Puck, you are right!!! Dunk needs to flush out his so called source to defend himself. If he doesn’t announce the source and details of what he is saying then that pretty much puts the noose around his own neck.

  33. EastendPride // February 9, 2017 at 8:33 pm //

    a terrible try to 1 up Peter for his troll last season lol

  34. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 9, 2017 at 9:30 pm //

    the reporter of this article, Justin Dork, has his handle saying 5 year starter at QB for Quelph yet he has been promoted to writing two bit articles for a two bit site. I bet his mom is really proud of him plus the fact that he posts articles without solid proof to back it up, then refuses to divulge his sources……ya a real trustworthy writer, what did he take at Quelph, needlepoint??

    • Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 9:37 pm //

      Little nickey… You really must be fighting your man crush on this one for Justin. You really go on and on and on and on… You should, however, get your Mon to proof read your posts. You sound like you are in grade 5.

      • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 8:06 am //

        ha ha Bob….you go ahead and abuse me for spelling then in that same post you mis spell Mom…..you wrote Mon you moron. Too funny.

      • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 10:11 am //

        I think he should change his name from Justin, to Allthewayin.

    • Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 9:48 pm //

      At least he can write in complete sentences.

  35. Jones, Dunk or TMZ who do you believe? What’s important is that this story is getting a ton of press including NFL fans in Canads. Put Johnny football in an Argo uniform and get some excitement and interst back in Toronto and the Argos.

  36. Someone please point me to an article where Dunk hasn’t been right?

    Cause I can point to a few where Jones has broke the rules.

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 8:08 am //

      hey Paul, maybe Dink has been right most or all of the time but it doesn’t mean he is right in this case. Only takes one.

  37. Bob Knows // February 9, 2017 at 9:47 pm //

    Come on people. Jones would never break a CFL rule. Would he? Besides Gangrene have the mighty Grey Cup QB K. Glen, ready to lead rider zombies to the promised land. WHY would they go after a woman beating alcoholic for their starter?

  38. Even if it is true, the CFL doesn’t like Dunk and would rather drag him through the mud than do too much damage to one of their flagship teams at this point. Justin Dunk will be the scapegoat true or false.

  39. The CFL needed some friggin media attention – nice work Justin!

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 8:11 am //

      media attention is great, but not at the expense of someone else or their reputation. Think man before you post will ya

  40. Billinburlington // February 10, 2017 at 8:45 am //

    Somebody attended the Donald Trump School of Alternative Facts!

    Justin must have had sources reliable enough for him to have the confidence to file his story. So either the sources are wrong or Manziel and Sask are covering up.

    Did Manziel work out for an NFL team at which Sask officials happen to attended? Discuss.

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 10:16 am //

      lets say sask officials did attend a session where Johnny and/or other players worked out for an NFL tryout. That could be a possible explanation to this thing and if that happened, so what. No issue at all attending and sitting in the bleachers watching the players work out. No breach of any rules if that happened and likely I would say this scenario happens all the time with all teams

      • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 12:13 pm //

        “No issue at all attending and sitting in the bleachers watching the players work out.”

        If that actually happened, it would be pretty easy for Jones and co. to say “yeah, we went to the stadium in Florida and Manziel was there.” Instead his response was a strong denial with a threat of legal action. The only two reasons is either the claim is categorically false (and Jones has a case), or it is true (and Jones is back-pedaling). Either way, it doesn’t sound like this would have been the case at all, because it would have been a complete non-issue.

  41. If the CFL is chasing wisps of rumour smoke why not find the source of this ridiculous notion. The Riders have and get this” been the subject of nonsense for three destructive seasons which is testing their reputation of resilience.” As for the Riders and it’s staff who do they rely on for their lists and permission to! We still have not rid our CFL of the bone heads that slipped in under the cover of darkness and consider it an oasis of tamper when you will.

  42. Jealousy is the best form of flattery. Clearly all the Rider haters are jealous of what it means to bleed green. Dunk is a ratings monger and will right what will get people reading his garbage. Given his shifty deeds last year regarding the tweeting draft picks, I say the guy is low class and just looking for angles to keep himself in the news.

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 1:40 pm //

      THERE YOU GO LL, I AGREE. PLUS IF DUNK WANTS TO BACK HIS ARTICLE ALL HE HAS TO DO TO SHUT US ALL UP IS DIVULGE HIS SOURCES OF INFORMATION. SIMPLE AS THAT, THEN THE FACTS CAN BE TARGETED FROM THAT PERSON.

  43. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 1:37 pm //

    THERE IS A SIMPLE RESOLUTION TO THIS AND DUNK SHOULD BE ALL FOR THIS BECAUSE HIS CHARACTER IS IN QUESTION OVER THIS. ALL JUSTIN HAS TO DO, IS DIVULGE HIS SOURCE OF INFORMATION. SIMPLE AS THAT. THEN PEOPLE CAN QUESTION THAT PERSON, WHERE DID THIS HAPPEN, WHO WAS THERE, WHAT FACILITY, WHAT DID YOU SEE, THAT SORT OF QUESTION LINE. THEN IS IS ALL CLEARED UP. IF DUNK REFUSES TO DIVULGE HIS SOURCE, THEN THE REST OF YOU CAN PIPE DOWN BECAUSE THEN THE GUN SHOULD BE POINTED AT HIM AS THE LIAR, CHEAT AND FOOL. SO DUNK, THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT.

    • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 2:43 pm //

      “ALL JUSTIN HAS TO DO, IS DIVULGE HIS SOURCE OF INFORMATION. ”

      Sure – simple solution. Forget that the source probably made a deal with Dunk that they would remain anonymous. Forget that the source could very well be an employee of either the Riders organization or Manziel’s agent and could very well lose their job for divulging this information. Forget that Dunk – someone who makes his living out of uncovering news – would lose a valuable news source forever and we would lose some of Dunk’s valuable insight into the underbelly of our beloved league.

      Everything is simple to a simpleton.

      • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 2:46 pm //

        THEN IF HE CANT BACK HIS STATEMENT DONT MAKE THE ARTICLE OTHERWISE HE COULD WRITE WHATEVER HE WANTS TO AND CLAIM THAT HE CANT SNITCH OUT HIS SOURCE. IF HE HAS SECRET BEHIND THE SCENES SOURCES THEN HE HAD BETTER WATCH HOW HE USES THEM BECAUSE HE MAY GET CALLED TO THE TABLE AND HAVE TO BACK HIS STATEMENT. THATS THE WAY THE GAME WORKS. HE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE HE SHOT HIS MOUTH OFF

        • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 2:53 pm //

          ITS CALLED ACCOUNTABLILITY, IF HE WRITES IT, BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE FACTS. IF HE CANT DO THAT, THEN HE SHOULD BE THE ONE IN THE HOT SEAT.

          • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 5:42 pm //

            “ITS CALLED ACCOUNTABLILITY, IF HE WRITES IT, BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE FACTS.”

            He *is* accountable – just not to you.

            Just because he doesn’t want to tell *you* who his source is, doesn’t mean he won’t be held accountable if it turns out to be false. There’s a reason Jones said “we are looking into legal action”. That possible legal action is what keeps Dunk accountable. Not a bunch of Pilsner-drinking melonheads rage-typing on a blog.

        • It is simple you idiot don’t be a coward a snake and be like donald trump I am going to further tarnish an organizations reputation and a professional coaches reputation. BUT I’M SO SORRY I CAN’T TELL YOU WHO TOLD ME. BUT HONESTLY TEACHER I HEARD JOHNNY HIT BOBBY PUT BY THE SWINGS.

          • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 5:46 pm //

            Oh geez. Two guys with their caps lock keys down. I better watch my back!

            Seriously, dude. The Trump angle is pretty old.

        • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 3:23 pm //

          “IF HE HAS SECRET BEHIND THE SCENES SOURCES THEN HE HAD BETTER WATCH HOW HE USES THEM BECAUSE HE MAY GET CALLED TO THE TABLE AND HAVE TO BACK HIS STATEMENT.”

          That’s what “legal action” is all about, Nik. If the Riders are serious that it didn’t happen, and Jones is serious that he’s going to look into legal action, then you’re right, and Dunk may have to reveal his source at some point in time. That doesn’t mean he has any obligation to do so *right now* (regardless of the state of your caps lock key).

          Right now, as far as it has gotten is a public rebuttal from the Riders and Manziel’s people, and a tweet from Gary Lawless saying Jones might be looking into legal action. If it goes further than angry Twitter arguments, then yes, maybe he’ll have to reveal his source.

          “HE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE HE SHOT HIS MOUTH OFF”

          He does this for a living, Nik. He probably thinks about this every day. Perhaps there’s a reason it took Dunk over a week to publish this story.

          • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 3:46 pm //

            hey George, I own you on this site. Simple as that.

          • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 5:57 pm //

            “hey George, I own you on this site. Simple as that.”

            Dude, you couldn’t even afford a bootleg copy of Strange Brew if the VHS tape fell out of your mom’s home theatre system. I’d be waaay too expensive for you.

            Heck, I’m surprised you even own a computer capable of connecting to the internet *AND* running a calculator app so that you can actually post on this website.

      • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 2:49 pm //

        THATS THE WAY OUR SOCIETY WORKS, YOU HAD BETTER BE ABLE TO BACK WHAT YOU SAY AND PROVE IT, OTHERWISE SHUT YOUR YAP. HE CANT JUST THROW THINGS OUT THERE AND SAY SORRY, I CANT DIVULGE MY SOURCE OF INFORMATION. SORRY, THAT IS HOW HE CAN PROVE HIMSELF THE SAME WAY THE REST OF US HAVE TO PROVE THE THINGS WE DO OR SAY

        • And to the cowards who don’t have a problem affecting 3 ppls lives and reputations. But hide behind a stupid confidential law . Grow a set of balls and a back bone and show you are the bad ass rat that you are.

  44. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 10, 2017 at 1:42 pm //

    NIK KNOWS THE CFL, FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER AND LIKE ME ON FACEBOOK….SMILY FACE, SMILY FACE.

    • George Porge // February 10, 2017 at 2:45 pm //

      Hopefully you’re talking about Nik Lewis. Because Nik from Vegreville knows the CFL about as well as my grandmother knows nuclear physics.

  45. Little nickey. Time for you to set up shop on that Lonely Farmer dating webpage. There has to be at least one old Baba that will take a shine to you and be willing to change your diapers. Hint, post a picture that shows you sober.

    • Hilarious all of this is, the only reason Dunk picked up this story is because of the chatter it creates. “See all the comments above” He probably got an unrealiable tip and wrote a story on it because of the amount of people who think it is their right to dish the Riders. No word of a lie even if Chris did this so do all of the other teams do things they are not suppose to but for whatever reason someone is watching Chris closely. I even suspect it might be someone trying to pay him back maybe Hervey, Huff or Walters. At any rate I am not a Rider fan but I can truly see that whenever a story goes to the media about them all of the CFL gets involved. In other words your doing exactly what they want you to do…..LMAO your all sheep…….Go LIONS!!!!!

  46. I find it funny that people call Dunk a liar or that this is made up, yet his stories always come true. Find me one story that Dunk reported first that was proven to be false!!!!

    • Billinburlington // February 10, 2017 at 9:12 pm //

      BigJ- Dunk is well connected and respected; does his research. Heck- he lost his job with the CFL site for tweeting the CFL draft picks before they were announced.

      Will be interesting to see the results of the CFL investigation. If true, this means a coverup by Sask and Manziel and his agent occurred – serious stuff. And a big fine plus other sanctions.
      Whatever the outcome this story has fans talking / debating / arguing about the CFL during this cold dreary February weather. A good diversion!

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 11, 2017 at 10:33 am //

      doesn’t mean this story is wrong, all his other stories have nothing to do with this one being either right or wrong…….

  47. Irresponsible of Dunk if he can’t prove it, period.

  48. I agree with Stamper. Bad timing when the league is struggling and are getting close to FA and then CFL week in Regina. Bad for league to start a war with Riderville or cause a disturbance during their biggest off-season sells. Sorry Dunk, the CFL isn’t going to back you up.

  49. I’m almost positive that the story is true.
    I think the workout happened one of two ways, or a combination of both:
    1. Jones paid cash to a friend of his who is not on the Rider official staff/payroll to workout Manziel, or
    2. Manziel worked out for the new spring developmental league, and Jones bought a copy of the workout video.
    Either way there is no “smoking gun” so nothing probably comes of this.
    Positive news for Rider fans is that Jones is at least getting smarter with cheating, and maybe now he can smoke out a potential rat in his own organization.

  50. Right Uncle Nik.Not that the riders play in many big games but I got 1 thing to say to you about plays where the chips are down…97th Greycup! Oh sorry to open old painful wounds

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 11, 2017 at 12:32 pm //

      how did that GC parade work out for ya, anyone show up? Oops, forgot, the stamps lost like they normally do in the playoffs. Cant seem to win the games that count. I guess they will have to work on that, and work on that and work on that. Year after year, but cannot get it right.

  51. Nik, I will be travelling through Wainwright, AB on my to Edmonton for the Riders game on 25 August. Name a time and place and I will take the 5 minutes to pull over and kick the living snot out of your pathetic troll ass. You are not a man, you are a waste of bandwidth. You’re probably an unemployed rig pig who has lost everything he had in the world. You have no loved ones and no friends and are probably stealing Tim Hortons’ free wifi just so you can troll people. Was uncle nik the person responsible for the “bad touches” which made you the disgusting piece of human garbage you are today? Does he deserve the credit for making you the man you have failed to be?

    • Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 11, 2017 at 12:34 pm //

      well Evan, at least you got one thing right, that’s going to the Riders game. Good on ya for supporting them. LOL, LMAO, too funny. I break myself up and when I read over what I write it is actually quite entertaining.

  52. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 11, 2017 at 12:29 pm //

    I’m just sittin back baskin in the glory of Jones and the Riders playin in the best facility this land has to offer, and maybe even in North America. Green is the color, football is the game. love it.

  53. Nikky, I’d rather watch the stamps win game after game after game at McMahon with a sore ass and back then watch my team lose game after game after game in comfort.. Wonder when you will get your first win at the soon to be outdated and unsustainable to Regina facility ? 2019 maybe

  54. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 11, 2017 at 12:49 pm //

    win after win until the playoffs you mean when Blow Levi Mitchell blames his recievers and they lose in the playoffs or GC like normal. That must get old.

    • Nik- When are you and rider nation going to let go of your bitterness towards the Stamps. You can hate Cornish,Burris,BVM all you want to the fact is with BVM he is just coming into his prime.He will continue to win continue to set records and continue to win GCs for us. He has established himself in the community with his charitable work and is fully committed to Calgary for the long haul. Sask on the other hand will continue to be the laughing stalk of cfl under under the under qualified over his head Jones.. TOUGH LOVE STATEMENT Nik–LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT AND LEARN TO LOSE WITH CLASS

  55. Granted Nik.We have had some bitter disappointments over the years but still nearly twice as many tiles as you!The fact is if the riders could be a consistent contender like the stamps have been for over 25 years you’d have your share of disappointments too.Greycups are hard to win (ask the alouettes of the last decade).How many first place finishes for riders? How many home playoff games? FYI 2 of your cups were Cinderella teams (89,07)

  56. Nik,
    Store brand perogies or homemade?

  57. I certainly cannot say if this is true or not.IF IT IS I cannot see Jones surviving it. The riders will have no choice but to cut him lose.Paying out his huge salary will be a financial burden affecting this team for a long time and will limit their ability to bring in a good coach,GM and person to over see football operations.Rider fans better pray this isn’t true or the roughride (pun intented) you are in will get a lot rougher

  58. Nikky -If you want me to school you on why comparing the riders to the stamps is like comparing a tinytike t-ball team to the New York Yankees I’m happy to do it but stop with the childlike comments you are so famous for. When you do that you lose all respect

  59. Uncle Nik - Vegreville // February 11, 2017 at 5:24 pm //

    do you want me to school you on how to fill a stadium with fans and be the #1 franchise in the cfl, Canada’s team if you will. Ya thought so, that should pipe you down.

    • nikky you must do research before opening your perogy filled mouth.Check how many times the riders filled their stadium last year. Fact is you average attendance is only 3500 more than Calgary and a few hundred more than Edmonton.Fans in Alberta are there to support their team and celebrate the game.Rider games are all Saturday nights so half your fans are there to drink and get rowdy (most probably couldn’t tell you the score the next day)

  60. Of course they did.Criminal behavior is what riders look for first. He’ll fit in with illustrious alumni like Dwight Andersen,Taj Smith,Trevis Smith,Eric Tillman,and current head of organization cheater Chris Jones

  61. All I can say is Nik’s ol man should have jerked him off in the slop bucket a long time ago.

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  63. Dunk needs evidence – not hearsay , remember when Hervey grabbed Willis from Saskatchewan a few years ago (there was support evidence)or intrusion

    Jones may have had growing pains last season , but he isn’t a stupid football mind.

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